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paulz
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# Posted: 17 Mar 2020 10:31am - Edited by: paulz
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I'm under a 'shelter in place' order here in the ghetto. Travel for grocery or medical only, something like that. Bars are closed. Fine with me, nothing I like better than being alone in the shop. Going to sneak off to the cabin for a couple days tomorrow though.
I have sniffles and slight cough but that's normal for me. No fever. Can you get a 'slight case' of this thing?
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KelVarnsen
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# Posted: 17 Mar 2020 11:18am
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Quoting: paulz I have sniffles and slight cough but that's normal for me. No fever. Can you get a 'slight case' of this thing?
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/13/814691018/coronavirus-symptoms-d efining-mild-moderate-and-severe
symptoms for a so-called "mild" case: "This mild infection starts normally with a fever, although it may take a couple of days to get a fever. You will have some respiratory symptoms; you have some aches and pains. You'll have a dry cough. This is what the majority of individuals will have."
The World Health Organization adds that less common symptoms may also include “aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea.â€
As you may have noticed, these symptoms apply to many other diseases as well. It’s impossible to tell whether you have COVID-19 without a test
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paulz
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# Posted: 17 Mar 2020 09:00pm
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Thanks Kel.
A a cousin of a friend is a molecular scientist. Check this out, if you're not overwhelmed with this already.
'Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virusâ€. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.
Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..
H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slipperyâ€
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human†virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...
And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.
Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.'
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SpyingOnMyKeystrokes
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2020 12:36am
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Because you're not too far from a city, do you have any worries about being alone in the woods with a likely extended wait time for a sheriff?
I've seen more than enough of crazy living in cities, and am very concerned that some corrupt psychopaths might follow me out into the woods.
At the same time, I could really benefit from solitude, natural surroundings and telecommute for work here and there to get by. I don't really want to have to own a gun. I might need to find more of a farmhouse or something.
What do people here think about security at their cabin?
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Gary O
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2020 02:04am
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Quoting: SpyingOnMyKeystrokes What do people here think about security at their cabin?
The number 357 comes to mind
The number 12, as in gauge, also comes in to play
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Gary O
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2020 02:06am
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Quoting: paulz 'Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu?.....
That makes more sense than anything I've read up to this point.
Thank you, paulz
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paulz
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2020 10:07am - Edited by: paulz
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I don't worry a bit about being followed to my cabin. Random violence possibly. Several years ago 3 young wandering meth heads murdered a man for his car not far away. Very rare incident however.
I used to be concerned about being alone and out of earshot at night but a few items have helped that. One is an automatic light that goes on when the cabin is approached. A bigger helper was getting our dog Brutus. He may not kill a fly but he hears everything. If all else fails, as Gary says, there's the sawed off 12g pump at the ready.
Oh, and now I have that new trail cam by the gate. I hadn't thought of it being of value while I'm there but I guess it does by some piece of mind.
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Nobadays
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2020 10:40am
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Thanks for posting this explanation of how Covid 19 differs from other viruses. It is the best explanation I've read to date. I see it is making it's rounds (Googled it) which is a good thing.
We are still at the cabin. Amazingly we were able to drive the pickup up yesterday morning when the snow was frozen... sunk in a little here and there but no real threat of getting buried. That wide snowmobile trail I packed down in the winter is hard packed snow and ice now... as long as you don't get off the edge of it! More snow coming but doesn't sound like much. We are thinking of heading back to AZ early next week to put things in order there and just move up here for now. Seems like the best place to be.
We are too far out and too far off the main FS road to worry too bad about crazies. Besides the area of CO we are in is primarily farming and ranching country, not a big city near so I think a lot less crazies anyway!
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hueyjazz
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2020 11:41am
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Paulz
Excellent, thank you much.
I'm the company EHS officer and now part of my daily activities is reading what more I can do to protect those that still have to come in to our facilities. I find my two biggest enemies are ignorance and fear.
It's amazing to me the volume of absolute crap being released by the main stream media. Very little of it is helpful other than to generate more panic. My main sources of decent information are the CDC, WHO and a major local healthcare organization.
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paulz
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2020 12:14pm
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Glad this was of value. I'm an EMR for the volunteer fired dept. at my cabin local. Last night we drilled on Covid response. We've already had one call for a positive patient. I won't be going in, too old and dumb to risk it. But the younger EMTs do, with proper PPE and training. Got to hand it to them volunteers..
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benny8
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2020 09:07am
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I agree with Silverware Lady, people shouldn't be taking advantage of others during a crisis. Its all about being our finest hour during a crisis and helping our fellow man. Price gouging is wrong. What happened to us coming together during 9/11, but not during this time of discourse?
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justins7
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2020 09:36am
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I live and work mostly in NYC and have a cabin property in upstate NY. My company has totally switched to working from home for the foreseeable future so the wife and I packed up everything and fled to woods. Luckily I have good wifi here so now I'm working at the cabin, with a fire in the fireplace. I feel extremely fortunate to have this place now. I did not want to be stuck going stir crazy in a small NY apartment, and I am assuming that if I get the virus and need to go to the hospital it will be less chaotic up here in the boonies. (Though maybe not.) Suddenly my work colleagues are envious, instead of jokingly calling me a prepper; we have video conferences where they're in a white-walled quarantined cell, while I'm in an open, wooded landscape.
Ironically, the wife and I always joke about being up at the cabin during an apocalyptic event, like a war or pandemic. Now it seems like it's here.
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hattie
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2020 02:27pm
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That was a great post Paulz. Thank you for posting it!!!
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justinbowser
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2020 04:15pm - Edited by: justinbowser
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These shortages seem to be "spotty" and even in the same town. We went into town (we are staying at the cabin) Sunday and WallyWorld had no canned anything, no toilet paper or paper towels. We got what we could then went about a mile down the road to Harps and the shelves were fully stocked! I think some people think that if you can't get it at WallyWorld or Costco it must not exist anywhere.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 20 Mar 2020 11:08am
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Same thing happened to me Justin. Went grocery shopping at 5pm yesterday. Got everything I needed and no line at the register.
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