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itsals1
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2017 09:04pm
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I'm looking at replacing a 06' uplander minivan and 02' 4x2 super duty for work and a daily driver.
My requirements are as follows. I'm in the Garage Door and culvert sales business'.
I will need a ladder rack with a contractors topper or ladder rack with over the rail tool boxes. I will mostly use it frequently for the garage door business, but would like to have the ability to tow are culvert trailer for local (25 miles radius).
I really like the size of the 4x4 sport Tacoma 4-door with 6.5' box, but I can't help but wonder if I need to get the 4x4 Tundra? Any suggestions? I have never owned a Toyota or driven one yet. I would like a new truck because I drive them for a long time. Uplander has 216,000 miles, but maybe a good used one with lower miles.
Please let me hear your opinions! Especially Toyota-mdt-Tech.
Thank you,
Travis
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2017 11:56pm - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Toyota Tacoma will easily pull, I think its rated for 7000 lbs or close to it.
The Tundra 5.7 is an animal for pulling. A 6 spd double OD tranny (super HD too) and a 4.30:1 axle ratio, big power. But heavy on fuel, power always comes at a price. Tundra is rated to pull close to 11,000 +/- a smidge depending on configuration. I would drive them both, then decide.
Tacomas always have stupid resale value. Not sure why, but took advantage of it myself. Has a 98 TRD 4WD I bought new, in 2013, had 60K all original, always garaged, book value private party was $7600, I sold it for 13,500.  
I wished I would of kept it, but the $$$ talked. Owed only 8K on my home, paid it off, then put the rest in savings. I had 4 trucks at that time, down to one again. (2010 RAM 2500)
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itsals1
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 01:10am
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Thank you for your response!
What is your opinion on the 3.5 vs 4.0?
I've heard so many stories, I'm just not sure.
Maybe it's just a way to increase the value of the 2 gen trucks?
We have a 14' Ram 3500 CC 4x4 6.4 with a asisn,awesome truck. Great mileage for what it is.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 08:55am
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3.5 is more complex, has direct injection in addition to port injection. But if you buy new, you wont have an option. The first 2016's were plagued with a few issues, mostly worked out in 17. I think the 3.5 power is close to the earlier 4.0 power. 4.0 sucked the fuel too. I have never concerned myself with mileage on a truck, I get them for a purpose, not a commuter, so its a non issue. You can email me directly at my user name here at yahoo dot com if you want. I check that email a few times a month is all.
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snobdds
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 10:53am
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I have totally rebuilt an 1988 truck (pre-Tacoma) that I use to drive to my cabin when I'm rolling solo. It is perfect for the Mountains. It will go anywhere and it's size is like a big side by side. Best truck I've ever owned, as it's meant to be rebuild-able, not consumable like all trucks these days.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 02:43pm
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech Toyota Tacoma will easily pull, I think its rated for 7000 lbs or close to it.
My 98 Tacoma is rated to pull only 3500 lbs. don’t know about the later ones.
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bobrok
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 04:04pm
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FWIW. I know there will be poo-poos posted after this.
My choices were between the Taco and Frontier.
I chose the Frontier because:
1) Much better creature comfort.
2) 40 more foot-pounds of torque off the same size engine.
This info is several years old. Please update my info to be sure.
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Sheeterdan
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 04:11pm
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Hi everyone, I bought a new 2010 tocama 4x4 sport 4 door.and that is probly the best truck I ever owned. I change my oil and tires rotated every 5000 miles.and 1 set of new tires and a new battery and that's all I ever done to it. It looks new.i travel a lot and it's my main veichel, and when we go to Adams county ohio looking for hunting land and cabinto buy. That's what we use still haven't found it yet but still looking for the special piece of lane.
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itsals1
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 09:48pm
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Thanks for the replies.
I found a Tacoma 15' DCLB sport 4x4 with 30,000 miles.
Price is $30,000 😳
Seems expensive to me, but they do hold their value.
What do you think about price?
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snobdds
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 10:14pm
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A new one is probably within 6 grand. The new ones have crawl control, it's amazing the capability that adds.
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vtbros
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2017 11:03pm
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I have a 2007 Tundra that I bought used in 09. Best vehicle I have ever owned. Crazy money new, but really hold their value. Tows great. I hardly notice the trailers behind me.
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Sheeterdan
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2017 09:55am
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I was looking at a new one just like mine. I paid 33k new and two weeks ago it was 35k. And this spring I had my tocoma in for service they offered me 26k cash. I said I was going to drive this for at least 12 yrs and then see how it's driving.
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itsals1
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2017 10:50pm
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Well called local dealer today,the salesman has been there 28 years. I mentioned to him about the used 15' I found, he said that $30,000.00 was over blue book and claims that a new one will be very close to that price. Hopefully next week I will be able to drive a new Tacoma and Tundra. Thank all of you for your experience with these trucks. Please keep the conversation coming.
Travis
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ColdFlame
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# Posted: 15 Nov 2017 11:16am
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I bought an '05 Tacoma TRD Sport brand new in 2005 when that body style was released. I wanted to stick with a manual transmission, so I was forced into the 5' bed. It was a lot of money at the time ($43k Canadian and change all said and done w/ tax, etc...), but I'm driving it ~12.5 years later and it has 250,000km's on it. Very little beyond routine maintenance has been required.
Fuel mileage is not great, nor has it ever been, but it's been reliable and was rated from the factory to tow 6500lbs (with the factory tow package installed). I love the truck - it still looks great (aside from some minor rusting here and there - the paint in general is really weak), and you'd never know it was over 12 years old. The 5' bed is borderline useless, particularly because I have a Leer 100XQ canopy on it, but it is nice having a covered area for our dog to travel with us, keep my golf clubs secure, etc...
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snobdds
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2017 12:01am
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I fully rebuilt this truck a few years back. Everything from a new engine to a Fiberglass bed. I take this truck to the cabin everytime I can. I take it hunting every year and it has never faulted. You can't go wrong with a toyota truck..
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itsals1
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2017 06:18pm
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Well it looks like it will be December before I can get to our local Toyota Dealership. So busy with work and now hunting season starts this weekend and Thanksgiving next week. I'm very excited to look at the Tacoma and Tundra. Sounds like everyone is quite happy with their Tacoma's and Tundra's here. I'm guessing that by the time we get to look the 2018's will be in stock?
Thank you for all your help!
Travis
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Bushwhacked
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# Posted: 21 Nov 2017 04:25pm
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech I sold it for 13,500.
If you ever do that again, Ill buy it! 
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Bushwhacked
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# Posted: 21 Nov 2017 04:39pm
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Just my two cents-
I have had an 87 2WD Toyota pickup, a 98 4WD Tacoma, a 02 4Runner (I believe that used the Tacoma frame), a 04 Tundra, and now a 16 4Runner and 16 Tundra. When I was younger I would beat the snot out of my vehicles with work, 4 wheeling, "lets see if it'll start in 5th gear".... stupid stuff like that. And all of those have been work rigs except for the current ones, so they were always hauling, towing, started 30 times a day, etc. I have also had a couple of early 90's celicas and out of all those Toyotas I have owned, no major repairs to any of them, the worst repair i can remember right now was a heater core went out in one of the celicas. I drove some of them for 100k+ miles. I have bought tires, brakes, timing belts, and wiper blades.... Thats it.
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itsals1
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# Posted: 3 Dec 2017 08:24am
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Well my wife and I spent a few hours yesterday at the local Toyota Dealership looking at and test driving the Tacoma and Tundra.
Both trucks are nice, my wife liked the Tundra better than the Tacoma due to the front seat height difference. I must say that I've never realized how much shorter the seating is inside the smaller trucks. I think all manufacturers of smaller trucks will be the same?
I didn't think it was bad, but my wife is worried that it may not be good for my bad back. Any opinions? We test drove the Ram with the 3.6 and 5.7 also yesterday. The load capacity is about the same as the Tacoma even though it is full size. I did not realize they used coil over rear suspension. Rides decent, but really it's a truck.
Drove through the Ford dealership and price shopped f150's
2.7,3.3 ecoboost and the 5.0 any opinion on these trucks?
They claim great mileage but my customers that have had all brands of trucks tell me get a Toyota and deal with a little worse mileage and few to no mechanical problems. Thank you for your opinions and experiences.
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Littlecooner
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# Posted: 3 Dec 2017 09:41am
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Toyota products run forever with very few problems. It has been that way for a long time. 250,000-300,000 miles over decades with not major problems are the norm. You can not say that about other brands. All small trucks are just that, small. If you are older and want room, buy a full size. My family has been in the Toyota corner since I got rid of a Chrysler product back in the 1980's that cost a small fortune to keep running. We all drive vehicles for decades, so if you are not going to trade, buy a Toyota of your choosing and do not look back. Just pick the size you desire, as all products have pros and cons.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 3 Dec 2017 11:23am
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Quoting: itsals1 but my customers that have had all brands of trucks tell me get a Toyota and deal with a little worse mileage and few to no mechanical problems. Thank you for your opinions and experiences.
Any Mopar product, I would not trust "their" auto trannys any further than I can throw them. My RAM has a 6 spd manual made by Mercedes, or I wouldnt have bought it. They still offer it, but they also offer a superior auto tranny now, funny, its made by the same folks who makes Toyota autos, ie Aisin. But you have to get the diesel and a 3500 and its a $2995 dollar upgrade. 
Eco boost, a turbo, makes good power and decent economy if you keep the boost pressure down. But it does increase cylinder pressure and heat which does take like away. Also, cost will be higher with turbos, but will be higher with diesels too. In fact, real high on a diesel. If its a gasser and a compact or 1/2 ton, get a Toyota or my second choice is a GMC/Chevrolet product would be my opinion.
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spoofer
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2017 05:00pm
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We bought our first Toyota in 2014. It's a RAV4. Last week the media/radio/back-up camera went. Toyota wants $1200 to fix it. Seems like any thing that takes gas is a pain in the...
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2017 09:54pm
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Quoting: spoofer Seems like any thing that takes gas is a pain in the...
Spoofer, if it has wheels, tatas or an address, its going to cost you money. 
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ICC
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2017 10:51pm
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I have three Toyota trucks that run, one that is a project. They are the best trucks I have ever had. I've had a few larger US brands for purposes the Toyotas could not comfortably handle. I don't have most of them anymore. #1 is an '84 Xtra cab with the 2.4 diesel. It's a bang it around ranch truck and I have no idea how many miles it has as the speedometer broke around 275,000. Then there is the first Tacoma, a '95 4x4 that is now more or less the hunt truck and then the daily driver, an '05 Access Cab version, V6 with my first ever AT. The project is a '75 LandCruiser FJ55 wagon. It is receiving a modern engine and powertrain plus assorted off road upgrades.
I have spent very little on repairs. They just run forever if the oil is changed and attention paid to maintenance.
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itsals1
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2017 08:56pm
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Toyota_mdt_tech,
Do you have any recommendations for a slide out box tray for the Tacoma? It seems that Highway Products said that Toyota voids the warranty if holes are drilled into the composite box.
I'm liking the Tacoma sport double cab long box the best, just need to figure out how to make it work.
Thanks
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2017 09:34pm
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Drill the holes, you wont have a failure anyway on the bed. I have never seen a failure yet. Talk about stout, you cant bend it or break it if you wanted too.
Heck, one of the options we install is D rings in the front lower area for tying down motorcycles, we actually drill holes in the bed to do this.
Get the slide out box you want, drill and bolt it in, never look back.
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itsals1
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2017 10:05pm
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Wonderful!
I'm glad I asked.
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ColdFlame
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# Posted: 7 Dec 2017 02:41pm
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech Heck, one of the options we install is D rings in the front lower area for tying down motorcycles, we actually drill holes in the bed to do this.
Hey Toyota,
Really? I presume you then use large washers on the underside to spread the weight? That's one thing I've always disliked about my truck, the lack of tiedowns at the front of the bed in my '05. There are two bolts in the bed up front, but no d-ring on them. I've toyed with the idea of sizing those bolts and replacing with a D-Ring. I see the newest Tacoma's have a tie down on the left and right sides of the box at the front also.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 7 Dec 2017 09:00pm
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Quoting: ColdFlame Hey Toyota, Really? I presume you then use large washers on the underside to spread the weight? That's one thing I've always disliked about my truck, the lack of tiedowns at the front of the bed in my '05
Yes, its actual genuine Toyota kit. Stainless flip up D rings. You have flexibility on where they go. Most like them up front, on the side, down low. So a tie down to your motorcycle handlebars, its perfect.
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