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tsvoyager
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2012 01:56am
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I always have my Taurua 357 and a Western Style Rugger 22 cal pistols with, but many times I'll take the Savage 22/410 over under or the 30.30 Win. Hunting season is a whole different subject.
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Captain winehead
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2012 01:26pm
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I would ask the guy in Connecticut who confronted the "dangerous" prowler outside his house a couple of days ago. What a tragedy
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nicalisa
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2012 12:08am
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Strange thread here in BC.....We have an air rifle for target shooting but that is it right now.. Never thought of having a gun on hand for people or anything other than wildlife that is aggressive, though that is not too common as most run...though we did have a bear last summer that had to be put down after chasing sage (black lab) and Jake (60 something man). The bear didn't make it past that summer sadly.
Not quite sure how I feel about this all.
We are teaching our kids respect of firearms with the air rifle, but after losing a 12 year old cousin in an accidental firearms accident (was playing with a gun that was locked up and he found the key, my uncle came home and his son tried to get it back into the lock box and the gun discharged). That same uncle lost his brother in another gun related incident. While I know that guns don't kill people, people kill people, I am still scared to have a gun in the cabin with the kids.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2012 12:39am
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Quoting: nicalisa still scared to have a gun in the cabin with the kids
That's why it does make some sense, when thrir are children present, to keep the guns locked up and empty and the ammo in a separate lockup, with a different key / combination. I don't like it that way myself, but can understand the logic. Now that ours are grown up and responsible, and have more firearms than I do, I do keep loaded weapons handy.
How about this thought.... if everyone had firearms training at a young age would that remove some of the curiosity and fascination that doomed the aforementioned cousin?
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Malamute
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2012 10:10pm - Edited by: Malamute
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I agree with Dons point about familiarizing kids with guns. I was raised in a house that had guns, I was allowed to see them, and shoot them when fairly young, but understood not to mess with them. I've been in several households with small kids and guns around. When the kids are taught from very young not to touch guns that arent theirs, and shown how to safely look at them with supervision, it takes some of the mystery out of them, and gives good safety fundamentals to small kids. I believe the most unsafe situation is having guns around (even locked up) and kids not being allowed to touch them or know how they safely function,
Yes, the incident in Conn was sad. Why in the heck was the kid dressed in a mask, and lunge at his adopted father with a knife? I understand why the man is distraught, but he did what most would do when attacked by someone wearing a mask and carrying a knife. So, was the man wrong for defending himself? Would it have been a better outcome if he'd been killed by the adopted son with the knife?
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lawnjocky
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2012 08:37pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU
I think it says it well.
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trollbridge
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2012 10:42pm
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Quoting: lawnjocky I think it says it well.
Must be a guy thing!
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Captain winehead
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2012 09:06pm
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Wow. Some cold hearted folks here. Nicalisa, you sound sensible, fearless and wise, and we are sorry for your tragedy. You are lucky to live in such a beautiful province, and I respect your attitude toward black bears.
Strength to your uncle, there was another one today in Saskatchewan.
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trollbridge
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2012 09:39pm - Edited by: trollbridge
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Quoting: Captain winehead Some cold hearted folks here.
I disagree Captain- Nobody intends to sound cold hearted...I think they are just questioning the particular details involved in this strange case. I'm sure they find accidents like this to be just as tragic as those of us who don't have guns. Kids do weird things, and we can't make sense of half of the things they do. Because we are adults now, and have an entirely different thought path, it is hard to wrap our heads around this kind of behavior. I think it is because of this unpredictability that Nicalisa and I, and many others with children don't even want to have guns around.
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Captain winehead
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 09:12am
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think they are just questioning the particular details involved in this strange case. I'm sure they find
I am referring to the people giving gun safety tips in response to nicalisas post. First reaction is blame the kid, and train them better! Wow. Interesting perspective.
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Cooks Dock
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 10:23am - Edited by: Cooks Dock
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The 97 lb yellow lab with anti-social tendancies tends to work for me. For all other problems the 17hmr ( porkies, racoons etc) does the job.
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trollbridge
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 12:45pm - Edited by: trollbridge
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Yeah Captain, I get what you are saying now and how it comes off insensitive from that perspective.
I'm willing to bet that accidents have happened just as often with kids who are familiarized with guns as with kids who are not...maybe even more?
Kids are all so different from one another and do things for just as many different reasons. Their brains lack the maturity to fully understand the consequences...we see this everyday, whether it involves unsafe driving, messing with drugs, or heck...riding their bikes with complete disregard for the fact that there are cars on the street. Hello?!??? If you were to ask them why it is unsafe they could give you a sound answer, but when it comes to being in that moment- all common sense seems to evaporate! Of course some kids are way worse that way then others-they don't mean to constantly put themselves in harms way, but they do.
Do you have children Captain? You understand what I mean then? I think sometimes adults 'forget' how kids' brains work. We have a duty as parents to teach our children right from wrong, how to treat others with respect and how to keep themselves safe from harm. We make a mistake though when we assume that children are just "small adults". The reality is, they are far from it!
Just my perspective...
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Captain winehead
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 12:50pm
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"The 97 lb yellow lab with anti-social tendancies tends to work for me. For all other problems the 17hmr ( porkies, racoons etc) does the job"
Agreed. I like the big dog early warning system. My hound hears people approaching way before I can even see them. He also reacts very strongly when he senses aggression. Most of the time he is extremely friendly.
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Malamute
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 12:59pm
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I don't think anyone is blaming the kids, (not sure how you came up with that conclusion) it's the parents that didn't familiarize their kids with firearms, and teach them not only how to safely handle them, but how powerful they can be, and how dangerous if handled unsafely. Nobody comes hard wired knowing how to safely handle any weapon, or tool for that matter. If they are around, just saying "don't mess with them" isn't enough. Just locking the up obviously isn't enough. Understanding them, and taking some of the mystery out of them has been more effective.
If one chooses not to have a gun around, that's fine. Teaching young people about them is still a good idea. There are guns in the world, and kids may encounter them in places that the parents can't control. Young peole still dont always exhibit the best judgement, but having some understanding of firearms is still better than trying to totally isolate them from them. I think basic firearms safety should be taught in schools, and not the "ITS A GUN, THEY'RE EVIL, RUN!" fear type thing, but teaching how to safely handle one, and not act like they are toys.
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trollbridge
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 01:18pm - Edited by: trollbridge
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Quoting: Malamute There are guns in the world, and kids may encounter them in places that the parents can't control.
Oh so true Malamute! And a good point you make about thinking that isolation from weapons is enough. How many accidents have we heard of where it is playfriends that are together at ones house where a tragedy occurs. We may not have guns in our house but that doesn't mean their friends don't.
I don't believe you will ever be seeing gun safety taught in school. Schools are struggling with policing any kind of weapons coming to school with kids-toy weapons looking just like the real deal. Now we see signs reading "No Concealed Weapons Allowed on School Grounds" (meant for the adults) greeting us on the front doors right along side "Drug Free Zone" and "Peanut Free Building". Schools are for educating children, but in this day and age it seems many schools have been reduced to " K-12 daycares".
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wakeslayer
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2012 04:05pm
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High School Trap League
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PA_Bound
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2012 04:57pm - Edited by: PA_Bound
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A high school trap league... now that is something I can support.  .
But, honestly, I don't understand why firearms and schools have to be mutually exclusive. I get that you can't have children toting guns around school unsupervised, but that's not what's happening here so let's not throw up that argument. But if "family life" can be taught, why not firearms safety? Both are prominent in American culture, and have life-changing implications if used improperly. Yet we go out of the way to educate about safe-sex, but make it taboo to even whisper the word "gun".
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Cooks Dock
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2012 10:38pm
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Why not...because we hug trees! It all comes down to political correctness and until you have a president that has the balls to look past the trees and see real issues things can not change. People are afraid of firearms due to ignorance!
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Dillio187
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2012 06:33am - Edited by: Dillio187
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what's best about that article, is it's a suburban school fairly local to me. I can often hear them practicing when I'm 'working' on another obsession of mine....golf! In fact, you can hear it from several nearby shopping areas as well, and it doesn't seem to bother anyone here at all.
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2012 09:41pm
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When I was in school talking about sex in health education was ILLEGAL. That all changed with HIV.
I wonder how many children have to get injured or killed by handguns before the school system decides it's time to educate children about gun safety?
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2012 10:10pm
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Quoting: silverwaterlady how many children have to get injured or killed by handguns before the school system decides it's time to educate children about gun safety?
From what I see there is less than a snowball's chance in hell of firearms safety instruction being taught in public schools. From those educators and school board members I have spoken with their solution to the "gun problem" is simply to make permits or licenses necessary to purchase or , better yet from their perspective, make all handguns illegal and have heavy restrictions of types of long guns that can be bought.
And that is in a state (NM) where we don't need a permit to buy or a license of any type own any gun that is allowed under federal firearms rules. No restrictions on ammo purchases either. Just the federal background check on a gun purchase from a dealer.
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nicalisa
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2012 12:22am
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It is so curious to me how much of a thread this started...so many various perspectives and polar opposites from a group of people that all have small cabins in common...so there is always common ground even in our differences .
I hope that regardless of your thoughts on the topic that everyone is safe and happy at their place that they love regardless of their choices in protection at the cabin.
cheers.
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OwenChristensen
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2012 07:15am
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It does us all good to here each others opinions.
Owen
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countryred
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2012 08:18pm
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Whatever works for each of us, I say..
I grew up as a country kid in a house with guns. We learned from a young age not to play with them , for 2 reasons. We would get our backsides blistered if we did, and we knew what guns did to wild animals and we didn't want it to happen to us accidentally .
I keep one handy at the house. If evil shows up some night and tries to do harm to those I love, it will be dealt with. Evil is out there. Bad people who do bad things, sometimes just to do them. There is no time to call 911 or unlock a gun cabinet and find some shells.
I don't look forward to it and know it would be a very difficult thing to go through, but its better than the alternative.
Oh , and back to the original question. A pump shotgun.
I don't need anything that will take out the bad dude and the neighbors. The pattern is no bigger than the doorway and hard to miss with it.
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Captain winehead
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2012 04:14pm
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High school trap league sounds awesome! Those lucky kids. My friend in junior high was a champion, I always envied him being able to do that.
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insane angler
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2012 05:32pm
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A 110 lb. yellow lab/retriever mix. If that isnt enough I usually pack my Ruger Blackhawk, and if it is hunting season and depending on what I am hunting I may have a 30-06, .50 cal muzzle loader, or a 16 gauge pump shotgun.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2012 09:37pm
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Quoting: PA_Bound A high school trap league... now that is something I can support. . But, honestly, I don't understand why firearms and schools have to be mutually exclusive.
When I was in high school (class of 79) they actually had a rifle club. You had to bring your 22 to school for after school rifle club.
We had woodcarving too, had to bring your own pocket knife.
No one was ever stabbed or shot. Not even a threat.
But no one use Ridalin either. A active kid was just called hyper active, not ADHD or some other acronym with a drug to dumb him down.
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2012 12:50am - Edited by: silverwaterlady
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Some teachers like it because it makes their jobs easier.
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TheCabinCalls
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2012 08:22am
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Was talking with folks recently about this idea of guns for kids. It seems it was quite common for boys to bring their shotguns/riffles on the bus and to school. They'd leave the guns with the principle and then hunt their way home. My dad even told me that they had a gun range in the basement of the school. These were not rural schools they folks attended either. They were in the midwest...
So I don't think gun control was ever really the solution. More like eductation and awareness. It is also harder to control things as the population doubles.
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TheCabinCalls
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2012 08:23am
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BTW - we don't have "protection" yet, but we have been to the range a few times. My wife is eyeing a pistol and I like a shotgun and SW AR.
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