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perpetualsummer
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# Posted: 22 Jan 2012 02:03pm
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Has anyone read this one? I haven't yet but I'm considering it.
http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Mountain-Men-Seventeen-Exploration/dp/159228423X/ref=pd_b xgy_b_text_c#reader_159228423X
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sfrock
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# Posted: 25 Jan 2012 10:44pm
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I am not a fan of books about some talk in the past though I like reading those inspirational books that just drive your forward. As a kid, I got so used to be given a lot of reading materials which has rather shaped how I love books now.
There are also some fictional books that interest me but none of those scifi types that are geared to kids and kids at heart.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 27 Jan 2012 02:51pm - Edited by: TomChum
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Quoting: perpetualsummer Nomads. I think they invented the term "Leave No Trace."
A tribe of 500 people with no sewer system does not "leave no trace". Tribes polluted their sites horribly, and had to continually move upstream to escape their own pollution and depletion. They also had to move a lot due to wars with other tribes, war was a huge part of their society.
BUT - it's not like they left asphalt parking-lots and dilapidated buildings when they moved on....
If you are interested in Native Americans there are a LOT of books written back in the period. Sadly much of the history was recorded by the conqueror, but when you read several books you can follow threads of truth. Stories of the native american society, even that from one side, are astonishing. I am hungry to fill in the gaps though.
If anyone knows of history books written BY native americans I am hugely interested. I prefer those written long ago, history written near the turn of the century, and NOT 're-written for today's sensibilities' or by/for self-haters.
Although Empire of the Summer Moon (published 2010) was fantastic!
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AlabamaDan
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# Posted: 27 Jan 2012 09:40pm
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I'm reading The Old Man and The Boy right now and I love it. It's about a boy and his grandfather growing up in rural Carolina in the early 1900s.
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Malamute
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2012 04:37pm
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Tom, have you read "Tough Trip Through Paradise" by Andrew Garcia? He married a Nez Perce woman in the 1870's, and traded with the Blackfeet. Good read from a guy that lived with the Indians for a while.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2012 05:52pm - Edited by: TomChum
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Quoting: TomChum Hi neb, I like history too. I can suggest the book that got me interested in pioneer/indian times and conflicts: "Tough Trip Through Paradise" by Andrew Garcia. (occurred ~1878 timeframe, in ID/MT/OR/WA) Its an autobiography by a trapper who died in 1942. He had a Nez Perce wife (who was brutally murdered by Blackfeet Indians). Anyway it's an extremely engaging story about how life was back then, how tough people were, and had to be. Equally amazing is how it got written, and how it was published. This website tells about the book, you can get an idea if its what you're looking for: http://www.mtpioneer.com/March-cover-search.html
Hi Mal, yes I did! This looks like 3 votes for "tough trip"!
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neb
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2012 06:15pm
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Quoting: Malamute "Tough Trip Through Paradise" by Andrew Garcia
I read that also a good book. I'm reading "Fool Crow" another good Native novel.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2012 12:14pm - Edited by: TomChum
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Keep 'em coming!
I just read "Mountain Man - A Novel of Male and Female in the Early American West" by Vardis Fisher (1965). The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" was a mix of the main character of this novel and one from "Crow Killer"). It makes the movie look simplistic and tame. It's a fiction, but kept my attention cover-to-cover.
Which bothers me, the mixing of history and fiction can become history. Of course all history is a mix of fiction, but sometimes an author does the best he can to avoid fiction. My next book -I hope- will be more history. The "...and Female" part of it didn't offer the insight I hoped for. I can't imagine why there was a single woman willing to take part in the 'frontier' (settler or native!) but clearly it wasn't easy for anyone, and in 2012 one can only imagine the wild freedom and excitement, there's no 2012 experience possible that could compare. Except perhaps the anticipation of spending a week at the cabin!
Anyway I'd like to find a book written by a native american in ~1900s, maybe a half-breed? Someone who lived for years as a full-time tribe member. Or written by a woman in that era too.
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neb
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2012 01:29pm
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TomChum
I have read some great Native history novel books over the years but can't remember the names of the books.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2012 01:32pm
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Hi neb, I'll be waiting for your memory to serve up!
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neb
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2012 05:03pm
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You might be waiting a long time. I couldn't even remember the name of the last book I read. There was a guy telling me he was reading this book but he couldn't remember the name. I asked him to tell me what is was about and after he got done telling me it was the same book I just read and we both couldn't remember the name. If you can think of a few I will post them up TomChum.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2012 06:07pm
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Quoting: neb I asked him to tell me what is was about and after he got done telling me it was the same book I just read and we both couldn't remember the name.
I was hoping you didn't have the same problem I have, but I can't remember what that problem was either. I wonder it I should just read Paradise again it might seem like a fresh book!
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 01:27am
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well the two books i just got done reading were so excellent.one was by a doctor from Portland,oregon where we live.
He got sick with cancer and got to feel what it is like to be us...the common man.This book was made into a movie called "the doctor".i tell u.reading this book anywhere would be a good thing.it tell s u all the ins and outs of the medical field.this book was formerly titled:a taste of my own medicine.it is by dr.edward rosenbaum.
then i read one that was so disturbing.the title is "Ham on Rye" by Charles Bukowski.this genre is under dirty realism.Wow.this fellow had a horrid childhood.anyway.pretty funny and alot disturbing.i cant wait for gary o to read them and we can share with each other.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 02:44am - Edited by: TomChum
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Bukowski is rough, how can you read that and then trust anyone ( around your kids, for example ). Yikes i had a hard time with Bukowski, not sure I ever finished one.
I did read "tough trip thru Paradise again, and thouroughly re-enjoyed it, almost seemed like a new book cuz you notice different things, and understand the familiar stuff much more deeply.
I just read "The Egg and I" by Betty McDonald, it was great fun. About a young couple who move way out in the boonies ( on the Olympic Peninsula of WA) and start an egg farm, long before the concept of "off-grid". She describes scenes so well, funny. She would be fairly young in the book but seems pretty crusty.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 07:02am - Edited by: cabingal3
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Quoting: TomChum Bukowski is rough, how can you read that and then trust anyone
dont u know it?well my kids are grown but wow.i am thrilled someone knows what i am speaking of.thanks for your response.
Is "tough trip thru Paradise" this Bukowski fella also??
Tom,i had never heard of this fella.I just happened to get this book free from our local paperback exchange.they have free bins out front of books they are tossing out.And they had 5 for a dollar books and i get alot of my books this way.
the "egg and i"sounds like a good read.i will keep my eyes out for this one.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 09:38am
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Tom-i agree whole heartedly about having a hard time finishing this book.i cringed as i read on most pages but i have to tell u what kept me going?wanting to find out how his life turned out.
i looked up photos of him and it looks like he went thru a homeless time too.maybe not.
all thru the book as he got older i thought -"he is just like his father"... a bully.
well i am going to look up the book u mentioned.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 09:46am
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ok.i looked up tough trip thru paradise and it is andrew garcia.i read what it is about and i would like to read this book.
i am trying to meet my own challenge of reading all my many books...before i go purchase any more.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 10:57am
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Sorry....neb and I have been discussing 'Tough Trip' book.
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trollbridge
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 11:44am
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cabi....Have you read "A Child Called It" by David Pelzer and the follow up " A Man Called Dave" I think it was. Talk about overcoming unbelievable conditions. Tough to read but so inspiring at the same time.
"The Glass Castle" is another along the same lines only has much more humor to help get ya to the end.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 12:08pm
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Quoting: TomChum Sorry....neb and I have been discussing 'Tough Trip' book.
its ok.so i will just look above me to see about this book.thanks tom.
thanks trollbridge.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 12:09pm
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Ok Tom.thanks alot.i got it.i read what u and neb were saying about this book u speak of.
thanks for the feedback of charles kukowsi.loved it.
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OwenChristensen
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 01:16pm
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I just can't hold still long enough to read. Sometimes all alone at the cabin in midwinter 'cause it gets dark early, then I might read.
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Buggy
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2012 05:56pm
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When experiencing the outdoors I like to read books on the outdoors. "Into The Wild" by John Krakauer is a classis quick read. Another great book, but a lttle more off of the radar is "The Last Season" by Eric Blehm. It examines the extraordinary life of legendary backcountry ranger Randy Morgenson and his mysterious disappearance in California's unforgiving High Sierra's. If you have ever back-packed in this part of the country it is a must read.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 11 Jul 2012 05:30am
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Quoting: Buggy The Last Season" by Eric Blehm. It examines the extraordinary life of legendary backcountry ranger Randy Morgenson and his mysterious disappearance in California's unforgiving High Sierra's. If you have ever back-packed in this part of the country it is a must read.
oohhh.i would love to read this one.thanks for the tip Buggy!
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 11 Jul 2012 09:13pm
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Desperate Passage is also a must read survival story about the Donner Party. Beyond the highly publicized cannibalism depicted in story, there is also some amazing determination shown of those that participated in the rescue. This is especially apparent for those that know the geography of the area.
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neb
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# Posted: 27 Dec 2012 07:13pm
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I just got done reading a good book called "Yellowstone Red". It took me a long time to find and the price for the book was way to much for me to pay. Any way my wife found this book after years trying to find it. It was wrote in 1948 and it takes place where I live. It was a great book of a man that lived along the river. He was born in 1858 and died in 1942. That generation seen a lot of change. Oh ya the book I finally found was signed by the author and given to a friend and I thought that was pretty cool.
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ErinsMom
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# Posted: 27 Dec 2012 08:34pm
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There's a series I have found, read and re-read: Sharyn McCrumb the ballad series. Take's place in Western NC and NE TN. Lots of history and modern day blended together.
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TheWildMan
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# Posted: 28 Dec 2012 10:02am
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this may not be what your interested in but i suggest reading iroqrafts books. its a series of reprinted books documenting tradituional living of the hodenosauny (iroqous confederacy-northern around the great lakes, NY, canada, etc). stories from the longhouse, food customs (with old recepes), generally how the tribes lived in the 1800s.
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TheWildMan
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# Posted: 28 Dec 2012 10:05am
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if your more of a novel type reader and not as much interested in inthropology i reccomend "when legends die" i think thats what it was called anyway. about an orphaned kid who grew up in the woods and when his parents died was moved into an old style boarding home-state school for native children
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Mister Breeze
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# Posted: 28 Dec 2012 05:51pm - Edited by: Mister Breeze
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Captured by the Indians. Fifteen first hand accounts from 1750 to 1870. Kind of graphic but I thought was interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/Captured-The-Indians-Firsthand-1750-1870/dp/0486249018
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