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Jasonfirsthome
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2022 05:23pm
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Building my first house paycheck to paycheck,with the help of my father helping an showing me how to do something's,had some big experiences and mistakes,here recently nail gun hit a knot an nail went in my arm, learning really quick to stay away from knots, hopefully I won't be living in it alone forever,be nice to find someone who enjoys building too to learn from
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Kaznats
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2022 05:35pm
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welcome to the club of diy cabin builders. You pay the dues by blood, sweat and tears do consider your injury as an initial deposit. 
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Jasonfirsthome
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2022 07:52pm - Edited by: Jasonfirsthome
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Here's pictures of the beginning,made a few mistakes but I'm learning everyday
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rpe
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2022 08:29pm
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It's coming along well. Looks like a beautiful spot.
Do take a look at the headers above windows and doors. They normally sit on top of jack studs that carry the load down to the floor, assuming load-bearings walls that is.
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ICC
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2022 08:58pm
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Even if the entire floor assembly, posts, joists and sub-floor sheets are pressure treated I see problems I do not want to get into unless you want me to.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2022 08:47am
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Quoting: ICC I see problems I do not want to get into unless you want me to.
I see the same issue.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2022 06:24pm
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Quoting: ICC Even if the entire floor assembly, posts, joists and sub-floor sheets are pressure treated I see problems I do not want to get into unless you want me to
Me too. And the window/door framing.
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ICC
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2022 09:54pm
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I'm wondering what is planned for the roof?
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rpe
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 07:19am
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Quoting: ICC I'm wondering what is planned for the roof?
I just looked at the second set of pics. Looks like shear testing of nails is underway. Fortunately the ground is only inches away, ready to offer its support.
Jason - Lumber is expensive. I'd hold off on any further investment until you've had some professional assistance to review what's been built thus far. Also, check out the 'Larry Haun' framing videos on Youtube. He's a legend, and shows std stick framing building practices in great detail.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 07:44am
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Quoting: rpe just looked at the second set of pics. Looks like shear testing of nails is underway. Fortunately the ground is only inches away, ready to offer its support.
No jack studs on any of the window/door openings by the looks of it either.
Please take some time before you sink any more nails and watch a few framing videos. It's going to be way easier to fix now rather than later.
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ICC
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 08:59am
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I hope Jason does come back and accepts the critiques for the well meaning that is behind them.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 09:16am
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For the window and door openings. Notice how the jack stud is under the header and goes all the way down to the bottom plate of the wall. The strongest wood to wood connections are ones that dont rely on the fasteners. This also goes for the foundation posts. The posts should be notched to accept the floor beam/joist.
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ICC
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 09:45am
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Jasonfirsthome
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 01:54pm
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I appreciate all the suggestions,but like I said before first house I've built I'm going to have mistakes,plus paycheck to paycheck, means bout 350 dollars every 2 wks, unfortunately I don't make enough to pour gravel ,lay them on jacks, believe me I'd enjoy having something nice like that but I'll never be able to afford it,for the ones worried bout it almost touching the ground in the back I planned on digging it down so the ground doesn't touch the foundation,last thing on my mind right now tho, trying to get it closed in before snow comes,Thanks everyone for the compliments
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 07:47pm
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We are seriously trying to help you out here.
Watch out that false 'economy' can wreck a build. The bottom end supports the top end; ie, weakness in the 'foundation' will (not might) give way and the house of cards fails. I barely survived being in a building that came down, trust me, you do not want to be in one.
You really Must use good, tried and true building methods or the hard earned money and work you are putting into this will be wasted.
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ICC
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2022 08:51pm
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Digging out may be as bad or worse than leaving it as is. Removing soil makes a hole, a trench, a ditch or whatever we call it. That may be an great water collector. ???
Just because this is your first build does not mean you must make mistakes that will for cettain cause trouble that will very difficult to repair.
The folks who frequent this site are well meaning and are trying to save you from what are known fatal techniques.
I could see in the pictures that the 4x4 appear to be pressure treated; at least there was a tag that looked like the PT tags. Did you apply an approved preservative to the cut ends, especially the cut ends that are buried in the soil?
Depending on your location, assorted wood cellulose eating insects including termites may be getting ready for a feast. Not to mention assorted fungi, etc. which live on wood, moisture and a little warmth.
I understand budget constraints but building more than once, or in a manner that is virtually guaranteed to cost extra in the future seems to be poor economics.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2022 09:53am
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Quoting: Jasonfirsthome appreciate all the suggestions
Ok good luck.
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jsahara24
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2022 10:46am
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I understand your situation, folks are just trying to keep you from having issues in the future. If it were me here are a couple things I would absolutely do.....
* Make sure you have lags on your connections to posts.
* Frame the headers properly with trimmers, if you haven't ordered windows then just shrink the size of them so you don't have to take any studs out.
* Install a large overhang on your roof to keep water away from your foundation.
* Kill all the vegetation around the building and put down some stone.
* Make sure the ground is graded so water doesn't run underneath your building.
Good luck with your build and don't be afraid to make mistakes, that's how I've learned most of what I know. But do take advice from experienced people as they have probably already make the same mistakes in the past!
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snobdds
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2022 01:11pm
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Always build in compression, not sheer.
Your floor joists are in sheer loading.
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Jasonfirsthome
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2022 02:15pm
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Them aren't 4*4s,there 6*6s,I'm thinking this was a a mistake to put my story on here,to many professionals or want to be professionals,y'all all know house built in the 1900s an before didn't have professionals making it by code ,an all of them are still standing,moms house the the tin on the roof is nailed to trees they cut down,not board's, nothing I show or do on this site will be good enough,this is why people won't try an build them a house,to many people out there judging,or telling them there doing it wrong
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snobdds
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2022 02:25pm
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Like I tell my employees. The only way to learn is by making mistakes. The only way to know it was a mistake is to listen to someone that already knows.
Nobody is born perfect and a lot of bad buildings are still standing, that is true.
Just absorb and learn.
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2022 07:07pm
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In your intro post you did say you wanted to learn.....
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Jasonfirsthome
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2022 01:53pm
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To anyone who wants to help me build my house,the right way,I have a cashapp, $Disgruntled78,all money will be used to build my house,any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks
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Brettny
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2022 02:19pm
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Quoting: Jasonfirsthome To anyone who wants to help me build my house,the right way,I have a cashapp, $Disgruntled78,all money will be used to build my house,any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks
Lol...right.
Just because you dont have alot of money dosnt mean you need cobble together something. My and others framing suggestions cost nearly nothing but time.
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2022 03:14pm - Edited by: gcrank1
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Dont dis' good suggestions.
Many of us started our building with none to little experience and/or money. Time is always in short supply for 'regular folks'.
Fact is that IF low on time and money you cant afford to not do it with good construction methods.
You can get books on building structure at the free pubic library.
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ICC
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2022 03:59pm
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Quoting: Jasonfirsthome ...the right way...
Interesting choice of words. That was the intent behind my previous comments. I would like to help you build it the right way.
Would you live in northern NM by any chance? We, myself, my brother, some other family and community members work with an organization that assists those needing or wanting a new home and are willing to put their own sweat and time into the project with assistance and guidance from the group. The size of your home would qualify however, the construction as seen so far, would not
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Jasonfirsthome
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2022 04:03pm
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Im not dising anything but unfortunately the way y'all want me to build is impossible for me,I work every day,I get to build maybe 3 times a month on my house, which really sucks,but at least I'm trying,I wasn't asking for help from anyone,just wanted to show ppl ,I'm a ex addict 25 yrs on drugs Im 6 yrs clean,if I can get clean an build myself something that's nice anyone can
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Jasonfirsthome
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2022 04:56pm
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No, unfortunately in live in eastern Tennessee,only have my dad that's 70 helping ,have no friends,I build when I'm not working,we have habitat for humanity,but I'm not broke,an there are others that need help more than me,ppl around here living in shacks falling down with no power,I hate asking anyone for anything,I build with what I have or can afford,thank you for being nice an compassionate,means alot
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2022 09:13pm - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Jason, the size of the post isnt what we are questioning, look how the rim joist/floor joist are hooked to those post. Are they screwed or nailed? All the entire weight of that house will be held in place by screws/nails. It might even collapse before you are even finished building it. But it WILL collapse. It will drop onto the grade.
Are those post on a footer? You could sister a 2X6 on the side of the post under all rim joist so the load goes through the wood to the footer.
Headers is actually the smaller issue and easier to correct. Now is the time to fix it, not later.
I think you are confusing help with criticism. The group here is extremely helpful.
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paulz
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2022 10:56am
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This reminds me of my first build, a large shed in the backyard of my first house to hold a dozen or so motorcycles. No headers, no jack studs.. 20 years later it was still standing, new owner tore it down, non-permitted. And yes, a century ago houses were done similar, and probably lasted the life of the builder.
That said, if you are going to go through the work of finishing the inside, electrical, plumbing etc., now is the time to correct the things mentioned above, most importantly to transfer the sheer to compression loading on the floor.
Your determination is admirable.
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