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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 03:26am
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I often see people talking about how they have land surrounded completely by large amounts of government-owned land, but I have yet to find an actual example in my land search.
Any help on where to look? (I have been looking at Alaska, but that is not set in stone.)
(It doesn't have to be a strict "inholding" in that sense -- just that kind of idea.)
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Borrego
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 10:19am
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Southern California desert....
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Fanman
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 12:49pm
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Not my land, and not available at any price, but near my cabin, in the middle of Harriman State Park in NY at 41°13'24.12"N, 74° 5'35.36"W), there is a small piece of private land containing a church (St. John's in the Wilderness), a cemetery, and a caretaker's residence. I believe it was a bone thrown to the former residents of the nearby town of Sandyfield that the state acquired by condemnation in the 1920s when they created the park and flooded the area including the town to create Lake Welch.
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bobrok
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 01:01pm
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The six million acre Adirondack Park in NY has plenty of privately owned properties substantially surrounded by state owned land that are often for sale. Much of the state landholdings are classified forever wild.
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snobdds
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 02:35pm
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My property is located in the center of National Forrest in Wyoming. It became private property years ago through an agreement with a man that use to cut tie logs for the Union Pacific Railroad. He owned land at the base of a natural entrance, via a river, into the high country. The best place to put a road started on his land, and he did just that. He cut a road in that went all the way up to where huge timber grew and he harvested them. It was a rough road, that went through some rough terrain. The forest service gave him 4 40 acre parcels in exchange for the entrance and road he built. He kin subdivided it out and sold off 10 acre pieces.
It is so nice to be able to have your property and then have hundred of thousands of acres to hunt, hike, explore in. It only takes a five minute walk and I'm in natural forrest.
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Borrego
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 04:03pm
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Quoting: snobdds It is so nice to be able to have your property and then have hundred of thousands of acres to hunt, hike, explore in.
Yep, we've got 700,000 acres surrounding/adjacent to our place.....it was part of an old Govt homestead project from the 1930's....
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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 09:07pm - Edited by: cabin_enclave
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I'm going to look into Southern California desert, and Adirondack Park. Thanks!
Aside from those areas, does anyone know if the Alaska Department of Natural Resources (DNR) ever sells land like this?
And in general, any search terms to use to find this kind of land?
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 09:49pm
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Look at the Alaska dept of land and mining. You can look at, and buy land online, decent price too.
http://dnr.alaska.gov/mlw/landsale/regions_subdiv.cfm?otc#OTC-Parcels
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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2018 11:44pm
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Quoting: snobdds My property is located in the center of National Forrest in Wyoming. It became private property years ago through an agreement with a man that use to cut tie logs for the Union Pacific Railroad
How did you find it?
Thanks
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snobdds
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# Posted: 29 Jun 2018 11:23am
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It's been private property for close to 100 years now and listings go up all the time for places.
https://www.zillow.com/elk-mountain-wy/mountain-subdivision-of-overlook-retreat_att/
My grandpa first bought the place in the early 1950's. I am staying in the little cabin he built back then while I finish the new one. The little cabin has stood for about 65 years. He never wanted anything more. In fact in the summer, he would pitch his canvas tent and sleep in that as opposed to the cabin. Men and things were far simpler and content for his generation and time.
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BadgersHollow
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# Posted: 29 Jun 2018 11:57am
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I have 20 acres in Oregon that borders USFS national forest on two sides. Mine is one of a few that sit in an inholding here. Small spring fed creek. I have it for sale for 33k. So, they are around.
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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 29 Jun 2018 12:55pm
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Quoting: snobdds It's been private property for close to 100 years now and listings go up all the time for places. https://www.zillow.com/elk-mountain-wy/mountain-subdivision-of-overlook-retreat_att/ My grandpa first bought the place in the early 1950's. I am staying in the little cabin he built back then while I finish the new one. The little cabin has stood for about 65 years. He never wanted anything more. In fact in the summer, he would pitch his canvas tent and sleep in that as opposed to the cabin. Men and things were far simpler and content for his generation and time. Old vs new
That is pretty cool, thanks!
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NorthRick
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# Posted: 29 Jun 2018 04:34pm - Edited by: NorthRick
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Quoting: cabin_enclave Aside from those areas, does anyone know if the Alaska Department of Natural Resources (DNR) ever sells land like this?
AK DNR will usually sell lots in subdivisions. The subdivision may be in the middle of nowhere but you would have other lot owners around you.
The University of Alaska sometimes does the same (they are a land grant college). We have 10 acres bought from UA that is within the borders of Wrangell-St Elias NP, biggest NP in the US. We do have other private land around us but the wider area is national park with state land mixed in.
I believe this sale of native allotments has already occurred but it might give you some more ideas:
https://www.tananachiefs.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TCC-Realty-Small.pdf
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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 29 Jun 2018 05:47pm - Edited by: cabin_enclave
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I've only looked at the first parcel in that link, but it is beautiful.
See (with the purple being National Park, of course):
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NorthRick
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# Posted: 30 Jun 2018 12:03pm
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Without going into too much detail, ANCSA, the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, allowed native Alaskan's to select parcels of land. Then along came Jimmy Carter and ANILCA, the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act, which greatly expanded national parks in Alaska.
After ANILCA a lot of the native allotments became surrounded by parkland but remained private property. These properties occasionally come up for sale.
Keep in mind that a lot of those listed in that link I posted are quite remote. As in not getting anywhere near them with a car/truck. Float plane, boat, ATV, snowmobile type access.
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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 30 Jun 2018 11:48pm
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That is some good information, thanks!
Do you know if every ANCSA corporation has a centralized listing of the Native Allotments for sale in its region?
And if there are ANCSA corporations that don't have such a listing, is there some other centralized place to look for Native Allotments for sale?
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NorthRick
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# Posted: 1 Jul 2018 12:16am
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I don't know of any centralized place for these listings. That Tanana Chiefs Council brochure is the closest I've ever seen.
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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2018 03:53am
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It seems that Native Allotment sales require some level of BIA approval, so maybe it (BIA) has some kind of a list somewhere. I'll have to check.
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DaveBell
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2018 04:37am
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I bought 10 acres fully wooded with stream next to a 3000+ acre Wildlife Management Area in on a mountain in West Virginia using Landwatch dot com. I searched for Wildlife Management Areas with Google in the states near me, and searched every Saturday those counties. Sooner or later a deal pops up. Water and plenty of firewood on your property is golden.
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cabin_enclave
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2018 07:13am - Edited by: cabin_enclave
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Quoting: DaveBell I searched for Wildlife Management Areas with Google in the states near me, and searched every Saturday those counties.
I know this is not exactly what you said, but yeah, it would be nice to set some kind of online "realty alert" for keywords like "Wildlife Management Areas," "National Park," "State Park," "BLM land," etc.
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