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Steve_S
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# Posted: 27 May 2016 04:20pm
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Hi Folks,
Over the past couple of years that I have been here, many people ask about Small Woodstoves and the many variations / flavours of them and their uses... Well the other day I was furtling about on various websites looking for something and I came a thread which got quite detailed into the topic, so of course I followed along... On page 5 or 6 (it was a big thread) something completely unexpected popped up and I decided to share the info.
A "SMALL" woodstove that is nice to look at & functional is hard to find (esthetics being a varied personal choice) especially at a reasonable price. Then there is this below:
http://cubicminiwoodstoves.com/
These are Made in Canada, just outside of Montreal.
The smallest (Measures only 11 x 12 x 10.5) "Cub" is $399 CAD
The bigger (Measures only 12 x 11 x 15) "Grizzly" is $549 CAD
While I have a Jotul 3TD which I had planned on using, with the clearances and everything, I would be looking at losing precious footage inside, where this little Fellow may just be the ticket for my backup heating as opposed to the bigger & heavier Jotul.
A side note sorta... the wood used can be quite small, so using "logs" isn't necessary and I could get away with using smaller trees, thick branches and wood scraps... even charcoal.
Hope this is of interest & helpful
Have a Great Day !
Steve
PS: It's weird looking at woodstoves during a heat wave... where's that ice cream ?
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LoonWhisperer
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# Posted: 27 May 2016 04:35pm
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Nice find Steve.
This would be a perfect replacement for our tiny "Frankenstove" that we use to heat our non-insulated 8x8. Plus having a window to actually see the fire would be kinda cool for a change.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 27 May 2016 07:38pm - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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I just couldnt find one the size I wanted and in 1/4" plate steel. I was limited and didnt want to be crowded. Didnt want cast iron, especially cheap leaking ones. Either too big or too small, or too deep on the proper trash burner style. So I ended up just making my own woodstove.
Its EPA certified too. I certify that "Extra Paint Added" to keep it nice and black. 
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itsals1
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# Posted: 28 May 2016 07:32am
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Toyota_mdt_tech
What about cast iron do you not like? Cheap I understand, but Jotul and Morso are the best of the best. Cast iron heats up a little more slowly than steel, but also radiates heat for a long time. Steel stoves heart up a little bit faster than cool down quickly. That all being said, your steel wood stove you you hand built is awesome looking, but it is a spitting image of a Jotul!
Travis
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 28 May 2016 09:56am - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Travis, cast iron stoves can and do crack (mine was, didnt see it till I removed it) too, they are multiple parts (my old cast one had 6 panels plus the 2 outlet options, ie top or back, loads of seams) and each part has a seam and can and will leak air. I had a Fjord trash burner style, couldn't shut it down well enough, run me out. The Jotuls are nice I liked the 602. But it was too long and I didnt get the clearance in front of the door to the edge of the hearth. I didnt want to get a bigger hearth, I have limited space already. I made mine shorter but taller. Now I can stack wood higher for a long burn time. It is literally air tight. If I ever had a chimney fire, I can snuff it out.
Mine is thick steel and it holds and radiates loads of heat
I have no doubt Jotul and Morso are top notch, no one made the size I wanted.
I wouldnt touch a Vozelgang stove...
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Steve_S
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# Posted: 28 May 2016 01:09pm - Edited by: Steve_S
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Toyota_mdt fortunately had the equipment at hand to build his stove here's his thread on it: Toyota_Mdt's stove build thread
The little Jotul 3TD I have is as complicated at Toyota_mdt says if not moreso and the instructions hit heavily of sealing every seam for every panel with a special high temp furnace cement. I get visions of smoke coming out of all the seams.
The basic Jotul-3TD (discontinued) is shown below as I could not link the image in.
Question for Toyota_MDT: How did your stove work out ? Did it meet with your expectations ?
Seems to me that there is a market for little stoves for small spaces like our cabins, trailers & boats even... I can just imagine some fat keistered bureaucrat sitting at his desk dreaming up ways to make sure little stoves don't comply with some idiotic rule somewhere... I wonder what they would say to "Home Built Wood Burners".
I've sent an email to the manufacturer of the above noted Grizzly stove with a few questions late Friday... Hopefully they'll answer on Monday... I would like to see one "in person" but am seriously considering one of these as my backup heat. IF I BITE THE BULLET, I will certainly post photo's and details for everyone who's interested in a closer look see.
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old ugly
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# Posted: 28 May 2016 02:41pm
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that mini Canadian wood stove is nice . I think we are going to buy one , it can be bought with a wall mount which is the way I think we will mount it. our cabin is only going to be 108 square feet and everything else is to big or way to expensive.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 28 May 2016 07:33pm
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Quoting: Steve_S Toyota_mdt fortunately had the equipment at hand to build his stove here's his thread on it: Toyota_Mdt's stove build thread The little Jotul 3TD I have is as complicated at Toyota_mdt says if not moreso and the instructions hit heavily of sealing every seam for every panel with a special high temp furnace cement. I get visions of smoke coming out of all the seams.
Steve, its perfect. I can shut it down as far as I want, to the point of even putting the fire out. I barely crack one vent and close the flue damper at bedtime and it stays at a nice temp and still fire in the AM vs being out by 3AM and cold. I had plenty of windows to open, but it would still be too warm.
I did find my flue damper gettign glued or sticking shut. I suspect I am producing creosote now that I am able to shut it down. So I will have to heat it up well every now and then, probably at the beginning and the last fire and in between if I am there long enough.
The stove is literally air tight. I have welded all the seams fully, inside and outside. No stitch welds, full welds along the entire seams. I know its not EPA certified, but it works and its very safe. I do not have an engineer degree, but have the mind of an engineer to some extent. 
If one was available in the specs I wanted, I would of bought it. As it stands now, the plate steel plus the labor to shear cut it was about $400. If you add in my labor, this was a spendy stove. Fortunately, I dont charge myself labor. This stove will still be structurally sound 100+ yrs after I have been deceased.
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itsals1
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2016 11:07pm
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Toyota_mdt_tech
Your steel can and will crack if you burn it to hot, the same as cast iron! nothing bad about the quality of your build just the facts. Yes Jotul and Morso are cast iron pieced together with high temp furnace cement. One fact that most people are unaware of is if you move a cast iron after it's been broke in,it will not be air tight! You need to reseal the stove because the cement will crack if moved. With all that being said I do like your stove, nice job! I hope you enjoy many warm times beside it
Travis
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ShabinNo5
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2016 11:27pm
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Steve_S,
We purchased a Jotul Model 8 on Craigslist. It is not hard to re-seal. The most effort is removing the old sealant before re-assembly.
Note: I checked for cracks during cleanup and the first few burns
Also thanks for the thread I will strongly consider one of those stoves for our bedroom addition.
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