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moneypitfeeder
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2017 11:42pm
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I'm going to throw a question out that is related to the OP's question, but if it is hijacking, please delete...Ok this might sound silly and unknowledgeable, but if you have a cabin that has just the kitchen sink (questionably) plumbed to a gravel bed leach pit, (I've been told there is a pit, but it may just be dumping a bit underground) do you even need a p-trap? We've been doing the whole antifreeze in the trap every last trip of the summer (its in Upstate NY) but would there be any "sewer gases" if it was the only thing dumping to its own rock pit, draining away and dissipating? I'd be thrilled to remove the p-trap and angle the pipe for full drainage and skip the antifreeze. I can't imagine how deep the pits might be, everything is sitting on bedrock with active springs seeping out of the rock about 10-20 ft below the cabin's ground level to a creek, the cabin sits on a mini-cliff above a creek below. To SE Ohio, how long does a rubber p-trap last before it gets brittle and degrades, especially with hot to cold temp fluctuation in a vacant cabin?
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2017 09:27am
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Moneypitfeeder,
Our p-trap is years old and is probably not old-fashioned rubber. More likely a "thermoplastic elastomer" that will last many years. Ours is 5 or so years old without any cracks or stress marks.
A p-trap is good for catching things like wedding bands that sometimes go down the drain. Quick and easy to remove and clear trap. A drainwith a straight shot to a gravel pit may be a lot of work for ring retrieval. 
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moneypitfeeder
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2017 05:41pm
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Thank you SE Ohio, it might be something for us to consider and look into further. Thanks for the heads up on ring removal, however I always leave them at home I was a mechanic for many years, and the safety that was drilled into me means that if I even think I might encounter work of any kind, take em off, lol! Since our cabin is always requiring "work" I just got in the habit of leaving them safe and sound at home. Did you find the thermoplastic trap at a regular hardware store?
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ICC
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2017 06:13pm
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Google "rubber P-trap" Lots of results
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2017 07:35am - Edited by: SE Ohio
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Amazon describes p trap as both rubber and (flexible) PVC; I suspect the latter. $6.44 delivered with Prime. Nope, I don't own Amazon.com...
https://www.amazon.com/Fernco-Inc-PFT-150-Flex-Rubber/dp/B000BQRY4S
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Just
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2017 09:19am
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the trouble with a rubber P trap is the water in it will freeze rendering the drain inoperable. It may take hours to thaw apon your winter arrival at the cabin!!
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2017 07:33am
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I've never really noticed how long it takes the p-trap to thaw, having never arrived to a cold cabin with something I immediately needed to pour down the sink drain. Cannot imagine a scenario where a little standing fluid in the sink would inconvenience me while I heat up the place? Maybe if I had left a bunch of dirty dishes and was eager to get ready for company.
Could open the cabinet doors while warming up the abode, will allow for a quicker thaw.
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rpe
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2017 01:07am
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I've heard of people that re-use the anti-freeze after each visit in the winter months. Pop the drain plug in the bottom of the trap, save the anti-freeze in a container. Put plug back in trap, and use that fixture like normal (once cottage is up to temp!). At the end of the visit, pop the drain plug again to drain water, replace plug, and pour back in the anti-freeze saved in the container on arrival.
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