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smythe888
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2017 07:21pm
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Hi! This is my first posting here but I must say I have already taken so much advice from here along with me for my journey. So thanks to everyone that has posted and shared such great info!
My husband and just purchased a pre-fab 12x32 portable utility shed that we plan on finishing the interior and making a cabin with two "sleeping quarter" bedrooms and 1 bath.
We are just wondering the best way to make it as critter proof as possible. We thought of covering the whole floor and two feet up the sides of the interior with 1/4" 23 gauge wire mesh and then putting sub floor plywood over that and just using vinyl sheet for the flooring. Any thoughts on this or pointers that sound better are welcome!!!

Just
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# Posted: 3 Sep 2017 09:09am
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The last one I built ,with a insulated floor ,I covered the entire bottom side with 1/2 in. PT plywood, hope that will keep them out for a few years .I would still recamend keeping the area under the cabin open and free of debree for them to nest in .

smythe888
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# Posted: 3 Sep 2017 10:57am
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Thanks! So you think plywood is enough? Cant they just chew through the wood though?

Just
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# Posted: 3 Sep 2017 11:36am
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The whole cabin is made from wood hence the reason to keep them at bay around and under the cabin.They will come down the drain pipe if they are around .It is a constant battle .You are moving to their home.Wire mesh may be better but if you plan on insulating the floor I think you need to cover it with more than screening.
good luck.

silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 3 Sep 2017 12:11pm - Edited by: silverwaterlady
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Good luck. There are millions of mice in the woods. They have underground tunnel systems.
All you need is a hole the size of a eraser head for them to get in or just open your door and they will sneak in.
Keep it clean inside. No crumbs or food sitting out, don't eat anyplace except the kitchen and clean the brush around the cabin.
Like Just said it is a constant battle.

I can't speak to the wire mesh. We just got spray foam in the floor and roof. Hoping that is going to help.
Found a mom mouse in a nest with babies in the cabin this summer. Think she used some stuffing from our sofa as nesting material. Set the nest outside and she moved them along with half the nest by the next day.
We caught 29 mice in our cabin last year!

smythe888
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# Posted: 4 Sep 2017 11:13am
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Thanks guys! I know it will be a battle, but figured I would reach out to the small cabin community to see if anyone had some good secrets!
The cabin is sitting on all gravel on a tie wall we built so should be easy to keep clear of debris so critters aren't tempted to live under there...also I have thought of building an owl box to keep the critters down too.
Thanks again for the advice and comments!! Y'all take care

beachman
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# Posted: 4 Sep 2017 06:03pm
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We built our place to be critter proof and have two cats. They bring mice in the camp to play with them. We have to keep the door closed in the summer to keep cats with mice out.

steveqvs
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# Posted: 4 Sep 2017 09:49pm
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I'm thinking along the same lines.
I was thinking about using flashing especially around anything that penetrates through and that expanding foam stuff.

Bushwhacked
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2017 12:31am
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Quoting: silverwaterlady
We caught 29 mice in our cabin last year!

Get a part time cat

Steve_S
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2017 09:11pm - Edited by: Steve_S
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I'd like to chime in here with a couple of thoughts... living in bush and dealing with "invaders".

1) Realise & Admit that this is not a war you will ever win... They outnumber & outsmart at every turn and there is no foolproof, guaranteed means of winning, short of going to outer space.

2) They are looking for two very simple things, shelter & food. Same as everything else alive on this rock.

Simple part is over, now the tough part... How to combat them without killing yourself in the process.

Uninviting !
Don't invite them indoors ! If you want something to stay out then don't use Fiberglass Batt insulation, Loose & Blown fill can also be very problematic. The mice, bugs & others burrow in there and make lovely nests, some elaborate condo's even... Over the years to follow it only get's worse, quite a swiss cheese effect really. I've taken apart a few houses and some pretty old ones too.... believe me, it ain't pretty !

Foams, like sprayed, poly-iso (foil faced) EPS-2 and XPS types don't allow for bugs, mice or others... not chewable, not for tunneling/nesting either. Stays consistent R-values and is a vapour barrier as well if properly installed.

Difficulties, once a place is built, retrofitting is... well... unpleasant. (I have many other words but not suitable here ) each piece has to be cut, fitting & sealed with low expansion spray. It does cut easy and such, but the wood will have warps, twists & cupping after build, so, fiddly to say the least. SPRAYS... well if the cavities are open, then it's a no brainer BUT $$$$

Simpler & Easier is to use Roxul Rockwool, I believe it's available pretty much anywhere, there are other brands too but I can't speak to them. It is Rodent Unfriendly ! They won't burrow or nest in it, has to do with how it's woven while being produced, plus it's mineral so there are bonuses, doesn't wick or hold moisture, still breaths, so vapour barriers etc must be applied. Bugs will still travel through it but these also don't destroy it.

A mouse can squeeze through < 1/3 of an inch, rats < 1/2 an inch. Younger ones can go smaller. Squirrels & Chippies can make their own holes to cause havoc and bigger critters... well that's another issues ain't it...

Resistance is NOT Futile !
Tight Flashings, Galvanized tin drip edges, are all important.

Underside sheeting (using galvanized metal flashing strips up to 24" wide with opposing J bends on each end that lock together) *any tin roofing supplier can bend them up and it's cheap & safe. The PITA about this is attaching them underside and locking the sheets together and nailing them up with galv. roofing nails. 2+ person job. But Tin is Tin and biting/chewing through flat stock tin, won't be an animal doing it...

FLOOR INSULATION !
Figured I'd mention that in particular... whatever you do, realize that water/fluid WILL find there way down under the floor surface ! Last thing you want in there is any insulation that will allow water in &/OR hold it in there for any time. Not only will that increase molds & mildews but accompanying rot, affecting you and the building.

This is where if you are Open Underneath, one way to combat this is by spraying a 1" layer of foam on the floor sheeting and joists from underneath... allow to cure and fill with Roxul, House Wrap then Tin. Pretty much bullet proof. Using "Foils / Plastics" instead of tin, would have to be pretty tough stuff and be able to stand the test of time, the thin flimsy stuff, certainly NOT even worth a ponderance beyond it's sole mention here...

TIP: If you have pipes, conduits etc coming through the floor underneath, wrap then in a plastic sleeve and tape at each end, keeps the spray foam from gluing itself to them, making them VERY difficult to service/remove if required.

Using Mesh / Screening... It can keep mice out, to a point, small breaks, tears can be opened by them but not easy. Allows air / moisture through - depending on elevation from grade level, airflow and more, this can be bad ! If too low, low air movement and damp, it's not a healthy mix, simply put. Exposed to outside, insulation of any form is just not a good idea regardless of where you are. Some folks do it and haven't complained of problems BUT the odds are against it...

Most of this is a combo of common sense, having ripped apart many places and built a few and keeping up to date on things of interest which is being a Cabineer ! and surviving the adventure of it...

Hope this Helps & Good Luck

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