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Gudaoraodaor
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# Posted: 16 May 2016 04:36pm
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Hey guys, I was just wondering what everyone used for their exterior coating and/or siding? What are some good products that I could use for exterior water/weatherproofing, and which types of wood are generally most popular for exteriors? Thanks!
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 16 May 2016 05:34pm
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Almost as many products used as there are cabin owners.... what are you promoting?
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neb
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# Posted: 16 May 2016 08:01pm
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I used tin on roof and side walls. It really wasn't my preference but I didn't want any maintenance. If I ever decide to add on I might go with a lap wood cedar siding.
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NorthRick
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# Posted: 16 May 2016 08:37pm
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Where are you located and are you asking what to apply to wood, or just siding in general?
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Littlecooner
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# Posted: 16 May 2016 10:07pm
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Well, I am in the humid south. I did a lot of research during Feb and March and decided to go with Cabot Australian Timber Oil because I love the look of linseed oil and Tung oil finish on all the gun stocks. I have two wall up, both under porch and they are the south and west facing wall. Spent the day today getting 2/3's of the north wall ready to go. I did the timber oil early this morning and headed off to the local supply house and picked up a gallon of Minwax Spar Urethane to place on over the Timber Oil for this north facing wall ( this is where the winter wind, rain and snow comes from at my site). Just moved the boards to a cover a few minutes ago to head off the rain tonight. I have had good luck with the Spar Urethane on other projects and hope it holds the natural wood color for 3 or 4 years. The mildew will start building in this are where the sun does not shine in a couple of years.
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Ontario lakeside
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# Posted: 16 May 2016 11:26pm
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We used a combination of steel siding and rough sawn channel, primed all 6 sides. The steel is a lot less work!!
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Julie2Oregon
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# Posted: 17 May 2016 03:24am
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If I go the route I think I may, I'm looking at LP Smartside faux cedar lap siding. Unlike the panels, it can be stained as well as painted. The Smartside is more fire-resistant than I thought it was but still not as good in that department as Hardiboard. But mildew and termite protection is more important for this cabin than the necessity to protect against forest fires since I wouldn't be thick in the woods without anyone nearby.
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Don_P
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# Posted: 17 May 2016 08:56am
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Quoting: Gudaoraodaor which types of wood are generally most popular for exteriors?
Western redcedar is popular, here yellow poplar was standard for a painted house. Pine is common but can have sap bleeding issues. Most, but certainly not all, siding woods have fairly low specific gravity... they are more dimensionally stable through temp/humidity swings and so tend to check less than more refractory species like oak which can look tough under a finish and also lets moisture into those checks, cycle by wet/dry cycle those types of woods tend to drive the checks deeper and visually wear hard. ... What did he say? Generally lighter woods move less and hold finishes better. The WRC I opened this with is also decay resistant.
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Gudaoraodaor
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# Posted: 17 May 2016 02:51pm
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Thanks for all the info, everyone. I am actually doing research into different industries, trades, and hobbies to see the different applications and uses of a product that I'm involved with. The information you guys have given me has helped greatly, if there's anything more, I would love to hear it, by all means. I won't shill the product off to you guys, that would be indecent, and not really the reason I came here.
From what I'm seeing, an outer coating or stain with some form of emphasis on fire-proofing, water-proofing, pest control, and anti-vegetation that can be applied to a lighter wood (cedar is the main one I'm getting) would be a no-brainer, depending on price.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 17 May 2016 06:06pm
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Thanks for the explanation.
Cement fiber board; lap siding is my preference but there are those who use the 4 x 8 sheet form. For the fire resistance. Many locations in the west place fire resistance above all else. We can not use anything but cement fiber board, stucco or metal. That extends to the soffits and trim.
Paint, not stain, for the longevity.
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Norsky
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# Posted: 18 May 2016 01:16pm
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We are going to rock ours with split fieldstone and cover the front under the porch with cedar shingles.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 18 May 2016 01:39pm
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Exterior stains for wood have always been a trade-off between keeping a 'natural' look to the wood and protecting the wood from water, sun, wind and weather. Unfinished cedar siding will last a long time but will eventually succumb to the elements. Painted wood will last indefinitely if maintained. So what can you put on exterior wood that will protect it for the long term but still let the wood appearance show through? Spar varnish looks great but is entirely impractical for houses, only boats or outdoor furniture. Numerous paint manufacturers make exterior stains that have a higher solids content, so the wood shows through but some solids are there to block some UV, and provide some weather protection. But these will need to be applied periodically, like paint. Products like Thompson's water seal work very well for a very short period of time.
So, if you can invent an exterior wood finishing product that is easy to apply, lasts a very long time, lets the wood appearance show through, and that guards against sun, water, wind and weather, and that costs relatively little, you'll make a million buckeroonies. I'll hold my breath in anxious anticipation of your new product release.
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Gudaoraodaor
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# Posted: 18 May 2016 01:56pm - Edited by: Gudaoraodaor
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So, with all these sidings/roofings that aren't made of some sort of wood, is a paint something that's really needed? The properties of these materials seem to cover what someone's looking for. Does adding an extra layer of protection really help that much, or is that a problem that building from these materials innately solves?
The product is currently only wood-based, and the company tried to get their foot in the door awhile ago with the log cabin industry to no avail (at trade shows). Perhaps that could be a reason it never really caught on, you think? They attributed it to over-saturation in the market and the fact that it's quite hard to beat out some of the bigger names that most people will go out and buy without thinking twice about it. However, I'm slightly seeing now that it may be as simple as broadening our horizon and formulating other alternative products that can be applied to other materials such as real/faux stone, faux wood, and metals. Perhaps that would be a much better catch-all to show what we really have.
Once again, thanks for all the wonderful info, everyone. I apologize for keeping the motive of the thread under the wraps, most communities aren't very accepting of commercial involvement, even if it's not for advertisement, but you guys seem like a nice lot of folk.
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Quoting: bldginsp So, if you can invent an exterior wood finishing product that is easy to apply, lasts a very long time, lets the wood appearance show through, and that guards against sun, water, wind and weather, and that costs relatively little, you'll make a million buckeroonies. I'll hold my breath in anxious anticipation of your new product release.
The only problem that we're encountering at the moment is cost. The product is about 150-175 for 1 gallon which will dilute out to 5 gallons, which will cover about 600ft^2. However, I haven't done an incredible amount of research into the average cost of doing what we're trying to do, so that may not be a giant difference. I'll have to look more into it.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 18 May 2016 02:30pm - Edited by: bldginsp
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What is a Gudaoraoador? Sounds like a Sumerian god, right up there with Lugalbanda or Gilgamesh, or perhaps it is a new form of South Indian dance to compete with Bharatanatyam. Or, maybe, a given invented name by a computer gamer for their avatar, a Norse warrior who fiercely defends scantily clad maidens in pseudo midaeval garb as they desperately attempt to retrieve a vial of magic elixir from the evil demons of doom so they can give it to a dying child prophesied to lead the world out of the darkness etc. etc.
Inquiring minds want to know.
My name is just so mundane.
(Just kidding. But I would like to know where that name comes from)
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Littlecooner
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# Posted: 18 May 2016 09:20pm
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Quoting: bldginsp Spar varnish looks great but is entirely impractical for houses, only boats or outdoor furniture.
Why do you believe it is impractical for houses if you think it works on boats and outdoor furniture?
I do not believe anyone can produce a product to keep the mold and mildew from growing in my humid climate that receives 75+ inches of rain each year and the summer humidity can be cut with a knife on some days.
If Gudaoraodaro has a product that is superior to what is out there, an not all that is out there can be found in the "big box" stores, he will take the log cabin industry by storm. All of these products on any wood structure must have some maintenance ever few years to keep the wood looking in great shape, preventing graying, mold and mildew growth. Hey, send me a very small container of your product with instructions, I will be glad to run some test. I have the one guy I know who runs a company with several employees that only provide one service - maintenance to the outside of log cabins. He stays booked up in his part of the world. He is a wealth of knowledge on what works and what does not work because he has basically tried all the products out there in the market at one time or other.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 18 May 2016 10:32pm
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Quoting: Littlecooner Why do you believe it is impractical for houses if you think it works on boats and outdoor furniture?
Because of the work it takes to do a proper job. Multiple coats, sanding in between, etc. etc. Nothing looks worse than poorly applied varnish.
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Don_P
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# Posted: 19 May 2016 12:03am
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Well, and films fail as ugly sheets where stains tend to fade away. Sikkens fails ugly for this reason from what I've seen.
Logs and heavier dimensions are a little different than thin siding. Thinner siding rarely has large checks. Paint or some other film can bridge most gaps and roll the liquid water off readily. If any water does penetrate the wood it can dry to the backside fairly quickly. Larger dimensions usually have some amount of checking which is pretty much impossible to fully seal with a film. Bulk water gets into the check and saturates the surrounding wood. Because there is a film over the majority of the exterior and the interior drying face is quite a distance, the moisture content of the wood rises into the decay zone. When the sun hits that wall the moisture drive turns the painted log into compost in a film bag, I've scooped it out of that shell by hand. Finishes that repel liquid water but readily breathe water vapor work better on logs and timbers... used motor oil worked well until we knew better. Yellow bucket... men...?
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Gudaoraodaor
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# Posted: 19 May 2016 05:20pm
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Quoting: bldginsp What is a Gudaoraoador? Sounds like a Sumerian god, right up there with Lugalbanda or Gilgamesh, or perhaps it is a new form of South Indian dance to compete with Bharatanatyam. Or, maybe, a given invented name by a computer gamer for their avatar, a Norse warrior who fiercely defends scantily clad maidens in pseudo midaeval garb as they desperately attempt to retrieve a vial of magic elixir from the evil demons of doom so they can give it to a dying child prophesied to lead the world out of the darkness etc. etc. Inquiring minds want to know. My name is just so mundane. (Just kidding. But I would like to know where that name comes from)
Gudaoraodaor is a polyamorous, omnipotent fusion of the four ancient champions of Mesopotamia: Gudaron the Strong, Orandun the Wise, Odai the Fair, and Or the Deft. The four met along their paths and laid waste to the lands with their rivalry, none able to best any other. The gods grew sick of the destruction that unfolded beyond their grasp, and made a pact with the four to grant them unlimited power at the cost of setting aside their differences. Little to their knowledge, the real cost was that of their own individuality; the four were sacrificed to Ea, Anu, and Enlil, and their spirits forever intertwined and re-manifested into the being known as Gudaoraodaor. The four walked the Earth and the heavens as one; with the gift - or curse - of immortality. Legends say that Gudaoraodaor still walks the earth today, looking for one of two things; the meaning of its own life - or the method by which to end it.
or it's just a hilarious name that's hard to pronounce. You decide.
Quoting: Littlecooner If Gudaoraodaro has a product that is superior to what is out there, an not all that is out there can be found in the "big box" stores, he will take the log cabin industry by storm. All of these products on any wood structure must have some maintenance ever few years to keep the wood looking in great shape, preventing graying, mold and mildew growth. Hey, send me a very small container of your product with instructions, I will be glad to run some test. I have the one guy I know who runs a company with several employees that only provide one service - maintenance to the outside of log cabins. He stays booked up in his part of the world. He is a wealth of knowledge on what works and what does not work because he has basically tried all the products out there in the market at one time or other.
I can't find any sort of private messaging system on these forums, but I would love to get some further info from you; if you know people in the industry, you or they might just know the man I work for. To save from keeping the brand name out of the picture, e-mail me at my personal e-mail, AndrewLeggs@live.com, and I could help set something up.
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