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optimistic
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2013 02:50pm
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I will have two things running on propane in my cabin - my gas range (Premier GAK100PO01) and my water heater (Eccotemp FVI-12-LP). I wish to use a regular 20lbs tank as I think we will barely use any of these appliances...
Eccotemp said I need an 11" water column regulator and Premier said that I will need a step down regulator... I am not sure if this is the same kind of regulator.
Can someone tell me what kind of regulator I need? If two different then please tell me which (or give links please).
Also, in terms of plumbing it - I hook the propane tank outside to the regulator and then run pipe inside, connecting to both appliances? inside?
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littlesalmon4
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2013 06:47pm - Edited by: littlesalmon4
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Gas range requires 10" water column I would think you would get away with the 10 or 11. I don't think the range or the eccotemp is as sensitive as a fridge. You can buy regulators at any gas supply shop. Your Eccotemp is vented so indoor use is fine. Propane tank should be outside plumbed to both appliances.
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optimistic
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2013 08:03pm
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I read a bit on propane101.com. They said that most appliances require 11" column. I also called an online propane sellers (they happen to be form Arizona....) and the guy told me I should use the following:
http://propanewarehouse.com/integralregulatordetail.asp?ID=2070
http://propanewarehouse.com/regulatoraccessoriesdetails.asp?ID=3013
http://propanewarehouse.com/regulatoraccessoriesdetails.asp?ID=4005
Then I hook it up together and run it to a black pipe into the cabin for the heater and range.
Can someone confirm this items?
I would love to order it.
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dk1393
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2013 07:41am
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Tractor Supply normally has the items you need in stock
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Popeye
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2013 12:19pm
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An old gas grill would have the parts too...for free.
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larry
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2013 05:30pm
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Quoting: Popeye An old gas grill would have the parts too...for free.
you cant use a grill regulator for those type of appliances.
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optimistic
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2013 06:45pm - Edited by: optimistic
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Can someone confirm the parts I have listed - put links of?
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rayyy
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2013 02:35pm
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I have my 35,000 btu heater,my frig,my gas stove and my eccotemp L7 all hooked to a regulator from an old RV camper.All work's just fine.I'm sure you will be just fine,too with your two appliances on a standard regulator.
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jjlrrw
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2013 05:07pm
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I have the same water heater and a old propane cook stove I called the local propane company and they hooked up a regulator to a 100# tank and I plumbed through the wall with black pipe.
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creeky
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2013 09:47am
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tractor supply prices are pretty good too.
anybody have a pic/drawing of what they did?
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ICC
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2013 08:49pm
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no pictures, but the word type...
the regulator linked to is a 2 stage reg. That is what you need and why a cheap old grill reg is not advisable. Most of those drop the pressure in one stage. Noit good for many appliances.
So the input side gets one or two of those flex rubber hoses with the Acme nut. (2 hoses if a changeover type)
The output gets fitted with whatever fittings are needed for the type of piping. Note do NOT use copper compression on gas; use flared fittings or iron threaded pipe. Once you get the regulator then you can compile the parts needed to connect to the cabin piping. It is a good idea to use shut offs (gas approved) at the end where the appliance connection is made. Needed by laws governing installation in most places.
Size the pipe or tubing to be large enough to deliver gas at the length needed and the volume needed. Google can find charts on "gas pipe sizing'. Different sizes for natural gas and propane, so read carefully. Engineeringtoolbox has good info on this.
Be sure the regulator chosen has enough volume capacity. Grill regs may not. And if using small tanks what the cold weather. Propane performance falls off with cold and especially with small tanks like the 20 - 40 pound sizes.
G/L
Std pressure is 11 inches of water column into the appliance. That is the output of the 2 stage reg. Stoves have an additional regulator to fine tune the input to the mfg specs.
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2013 09:57pm
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How many of you think that hiring a licensed propane person is safer than doing this work yourself? If you don't know what you're doing you will be putting you, your family and guests life's at risk. Some things are best left to the pros.
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ICC
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2013 10:39pm
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Quoting: silverwaterlady How many of you think that hiring a licensed propane person is safer than doing this work yourself?
Depends. The key is poartly getting the good info and then applying the info in a competent manner.
IF the person doing their own fuel gas (or electrical for that matter) is a thorough planner who researches and understands well, gas or electric can be done safely and competently. I've done both and had them inspected and have never had a red tag.
It's a difficult thing to instruct how to do gas or electric in a forum. So yes, silverwaterlady, probably best to err on the side of caution and safety. But it really is not impossible to do a safe DIY installation. Propane101 does have much good info, but in itself is not a complete how-to-do-it set of instructions.
With propane, it is my belief, that many errors are made in the choice of fittings; as I mentioned compression fittings are a no-no but are a staple DIY item unfortunately. A good flare tool (when flared fittings are used) is essential; not a cheap import but a good tool. $$$.
Not checking for leaks with the system held under a higher than normal pressure as required by code would be another common failure of the DIY'er.
Black iron pipe works best in my experience with a brush on paste pipe 'dope' like rector's. Much better than teflon tape. Messier but virtually no leaks in my years of experience.
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