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encounta
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2025 03:16am - Edited by: encounta
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See pictures
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Brettny
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2025 06:44am
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I have a 10x14 that I converted into a small cabin until I could build a bigger one. No way would I try to put stairs or a full bathroom in it.
I think the scale of the things in there arnt correct. Have you measured the dimentions of things in your house and make them the same in the plan?
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travellerw
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2025 12:21pm
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Don't know what code is where you are.. but here you cannot have stairs that turn with out a landing.
The other thing. Those stairs are coming up right next to the roof. There is no way you could climb them as your head will run into the roof.
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Grizzlyman
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2025 05:05pm - Edited by: Grizzlyman
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Have the stairs be more of an angled ladder but with treads instead of rungs.
Also regarding headroom for the ladder/stairs- since it’s more or less a square either way, you can reorient either the roof or the inside 90* so that the wall with the stairs is the gable end and you’ll have room to climb it.
12’ is tight for living room, wall, and then a bathroom. Keep in mind that if you build it 12’ you’re going to lose 6” per wall. So really with the 3 walls you’ve got 10 1/2 ft of space.
My living room is 10’ x11 in our cabin- so I’m trying to image what just the living room looks like. I thinks it possible but maybe not with the bathroom. Add 4’ and you can have a bathroom.
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encounta
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2025 07:20pm
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Thanks for the insight! I might just draw a box on the ground to visualize the space. We plan to use it as a guesthouse next to our main cabin for family members, etc. So won't be any full time living.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2025 07:37am
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It dosnt need it's own bathroom and couch then. Just make it a bunk house. Why 10x12?
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encounta
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2025 01:27pm
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10x12 doesn't require a permit in my area
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2025 02:27pm
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Why not get a permit?
Some places allow a fishing, hunting, recreational, maybe occasional bunky (ie, a 'non-occupancy') building without the need to conform to 'house' type codes. Proper building practices are always necessary no matter what.
I had a 12x12 'toolshed' for decades, I cant imagine trying to put everything in that you envision. My current one is 10x16, that would be my min now.
My first build cabin was a 12x24 with a peak loft, had it for 30+ years. It essentially gave us 12x12 living areas, one end for the kitchen and table etc and other for the living room with a fold out couch. The 12x12 loft made another sleeping area but was awkward up/down due to the ladder. That became an issue as we got injured and aged. I wished then I had done a larger one story footprint. Our current new one is 12x28 and just right for the two of us.
I also have an 8x12 'ice shanty' built more like a 1930's travel trailer; it would make a fine 'small cabin' for one, a tight space for two.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2025 06:38pm - Edited by: MtnDon
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Quoting: encounta 10x12 doesn't require a permit in my area
Are you sure about that? I ask because many jurisdictions like where I am have rules that state something like, " states that a building permit is not required for one-story detached accessory buildings (sheds, tool storage, etc.) that are used for similar purposes and do not exceed 120 square feet. "
Then it goes on to state, "This exemption applies to structures intended for storage or similar uses, but not for larger, permanent buildings or those that require plumbing, electrical, or mechanical work. "
As soon as it is used as an inhabited building, even just for sleeping, the building comes under different rules and requires building code compliance in full.
If rules are bent or broken you can become liable for consequences from fines to bringing into compliance to removal. A person can take their chances if they want. Or perhaps your location doesn't have the usual "strings" attached.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 12 Mar 2025 05:45am
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Just get a permit if you want all that stuff in it and make it a proper size. A permit was no big deal where I built.
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Steve961
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2025 05:33pm
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One of the biggest mistakes I see in cabin planning is the lack of a "mudroom" area. Where do you hang your coats and store your boots, gloves, hats, etc. Keep in mind that these are often wet and/or dirty and can't just be thrown on the sofa.
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2025 07:14pm
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Yeah That!
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