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cabinnewbie
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2022 07:06pm
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Hey all,
I'm in the midst of my cabin build. Aiming to get my first front wall up next week.
One thing that is mystifying me though I could use some help.
I'm doing a 12x16 cabin with the tall front wall at 12' and short back wall at 8'. A 4/12 pitch roof.
For the side walls, would I cut the studs (A) diagnoally to match the rise/run of the cain? Can't envision how the top plate would connect from the side walls to the back or front walls then though.
Or do I frame the back wall and side walls' studs to all be at (B) 8' and connect the top plate of those three walls only? No top plate connecting to the front tall wall then? Put cripples in between the side wall top plate and the rafter?
I've found a few resources on the internet citing (B) only.
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spencerin
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2022 08:15pm
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Don't see why you can't do A. I'm sure you can use some sort of strapping to tie the top plates together, or use some blocking just below the top plates to tie them together and accomplish the same end result.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2022 09:12pm
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Definitely dont ever do B. You loose any of the limited stability if you add a wall on a wall.
For how to make A work..you make square walls and the top plates flat. You then would cut your roof rafters like a common rafter. Simple walls and theres a million videos to watch on how to cut a common rafter.
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Whiskerbiscuit
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2022 06:15pm
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I have a very similar shape cabin and that's what I did, cut the studs diagonally at the top to match the slope, and keeping the top plate linked all around.
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MJH
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2022 10:53pm
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I built an 8x16 little cabin (we call it the "shed") with the same style roof. I framed out the side walls with the top plate the same height as the back wall, so I could double top-plate at least 3 of the walls for added strength. Then I tacked on a top "triangle" piece with another top plate.
This youtube channel might be helpful for you, though. He's got a couple of single pitch cabin builds. He notches the side studs and runs them from a bottom plate up to the rafter. Seems like an easy/cheap/decent way to go:
https://youtu.be/bOOXmfkXpkM?t=1267
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rpe
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2022 05:37pm - Edited by: rpe
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Same as MJH here. Double top plates on three walls ties it all together nice, then scab in some shorts to finish the little triangle at the top. Makes sheeting the sides easier. If you do go the 'A' route, you'd want to put blocking at the top of the sheet.
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ICC
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2022 05:55pm
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The roof rafters are best supported in the normal manner of cutting out birdsmouths so the rafter has a horizontal flat surface supported by the horizontal level wall top plates.
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cabinnewbie
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2022 07:38am
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Quoting: MJH This youtube channel might be helpful for you, though. He's got a couple of single pitch cabin builds. He notches the side studs and runs them from a bottom plate up to the rafter. Seems like an easy/cheap/decent way to go: https://youtu.be/bOOXmfkXpkM?t=1267
Seems like he isn't having a top plate for the side walls? He's connecting directly the wall stud to the rafter?
I found this calculator that seems to calculate the angle of the studs to cut and the length:
https://www.blocklayer.com/studsangleeng
I guess I mostly can't envision how the top plate connects from the side walls to the other two walls given it's going at an angle diagonal and then connecting to a horizontal other wall.
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cabinnewbie
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2022 07:40am
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Quoting: rpe Double top plates on three walls ties it all together nice, then scab in some shorts to finish the little triangle at the top. Makes sheeting the sides easier.
So this would be the same as having the three walls end at the same height for the top plates and then add the short cripples on the side angled walls on top to reach the rafters?
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rpe
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2022 07:51am - Edited by: rpe
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Quoting: cabinnewbie So this would be the same as having the three walls end at the same height for the top plates and then add the short cripples on the side angled walls on top to reach the rafters?
Yes, exactly. Let me see if I can get a picture posted.
There's more pics in the build thread here: https://www.small-cabin.com/forum/6_9967_0.html
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cabinnewbie
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2022 09:50am
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I'm confused cause that's what I was trying to convey as option (B) but seems like others saying that's a poor decision?
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2022 10:14am
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Practically thinking.....I think....
If it is 'bad' for a shed roof design with an actual wall at the tall side why wouldnt it also be bad in a gable roofed structure?
Inquiring mind
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Aklogcabin
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2022 10:36am
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I would frame it like that rpe posted. The walls will still be connected all down the side where they meet
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MJH
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2022 03:55pm
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Quoting: cabinnewbie So this would be the same as having the three walls end at the same height for the top plates and then add the short cripples on the side angled walls on top to reach the rafters?
That's how I did it. It's not the quickest way, but it's stronger than doing it like in the YouTube video. I know it's only going to be a matter of time before a large branch or tree falls on the place so I wanted to make it fairly strong.
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