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Smawgunner
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2020 13:07
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Thinking of building a shed to put my ATV in. It'll have two doors which makes it a bit more tricky to make secure. What are you guys using for hardware to make your sheds secure?
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DaveBell
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2020 13:23
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Fire Rated commercial doors are made of steel.
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DaveBell
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2020 13:23
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What ever did you do with you hill and ditch?
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jhp
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2020 14:05
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I use basic hasp and padlock type of security. If they want to get in, they will get in. My goal is to slow them down and document it in the highest quality means I can.
I have different layers of photos and live video, some are visible/obvious, and some are well hidden.
They might break in, but they're going to be caught doing it. They can steal the security cameras but they probably won't find all of them. If they find all of them it's already uploaded to the cloud by the time they're done.
I find that those multiple layers give me a better sense of security more than any better locks could.
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Smawgunner
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2020 14:40
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Quoting: DaveBell Fire Rated commercial doors are made of steel.
Lol....nothing yet. It's low on my list of things to do.
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Steve961
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2020 14:50
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I bought a 20' shipping container. Very secure, wind and weather tight from the get go, and mostly maintenance free.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2020 18:11
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Thata my plan too steve. A 20ft one trip is about the same price as a shed half its size made from OSB and it will become a rodent castle real quick.
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Steve961
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2020 11:59
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Brettny. If you do get a container, I highly recommend installing some better vents - especially if you store anything with gasoline in it. The ones I used are from containerlockbox.com, and while they are not cheap, the quality is fantastic. I installed two of them at opposite corners of my container, and they have done a great job keeping my container ventilated.
Containerlockbox.com Vents
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Brettny
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2020 12:21
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Good idea.
I can weld so vents and a more secure lock system and box would be pretty high on the list.
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paulz
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2020 16:31
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My 20' shipping container takes...a padlock.
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fitzpatt
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2020 17:04
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When I poured the concrete slab for our ATV/tool shed I placed bent rebar loops in the concrete before it hardened. In addition to the padlock on the door, a chain secured to the rebar loop and the ATV is an additional deterrent.
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KinAlberta
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2020 18:29
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There’s good and bad padlocks.
Most can be cut pretty easily with bold cutters.
There’s circular padlocks that apparently do well against bolt cutters.
Or just a handful of nuts slid over a shackle.
There’s also puck locks that are supposed very good.
And there’s low cost guards and shields available.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2020 20:21
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I always use cable loops even when a machine has a key. I have an excavator, two 20lb propane tanks, a 3pt trailer hitch attachment, a polaris side by side locked to the hasp on my shed. I make it pretty hard to take even small things at our property.
I use stainless steel 1/2in shackle locks. Most bolt cutters arnt big enough to cut that. Alot of locks can even be cut by a $100 cordless grinder too.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2020 20:37
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Quoting: paulz My 20' shipping container takes...a padlock.
Mine takes 5, all American 7/16 hasp, one inside a lock box.
I made 6 vents, 3 on each side, zero sweat, with roof added, cool in the summer heat, can open door when it gets 3 feet of snow etc.
Roof makes is look so nice too.
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paulz
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2020 08:39
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Lithium powered angle grinders must be a favorite tool of thieves. I only have AC powered but they will cut a lock in a hurry.
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hueyjazz
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2020 12:29
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https://www.maxwarehouse.com/products/american-lock-a800lhcd-2-7-8-high-security-hasp -shackle-lock?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyI2Qu6WR7AIVCoTICh3n4gA9EAQYAiABEgJYZfD_BwE
These work quite well and are hard to defeat but as with anything else, with time and the right tools they can.
I once spent a lot of time doing all the right things with a couple of HD gun safes in my basement. As I put away all of my tools when the job was done I had to laugh. Every tool you need to break into these safes was hanging on my wall. Why I even had black powder if they want to blow them open.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2020 14:50
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You cant slip a sawsall blade behind the lock and just cut the hasp off?
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2020 15:47
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Quoting: Brettny You cant slip a sawsall blade behind the lock and just cut the hasp off?
Not on mine, but I don't want to go into too much details.
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Steve961
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2020 16:43
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My cabin is in Northern Wisconsin and surrounded by a lot of farms. When I was putting my shipping container in, one of my neighbors came over to look at it. I told him the easiest way to defeat the lockbox and lock would be with a cutting torch. He then proceeded to tell me that most every 16 year old kid in the area had access to one. It burst my bubble just a little, but I always knew that if someone really wanted to get in they would.
The thing is, most criminals don't travel with a cutting torch. They also don't have a lot of patience and will usually look for an easier target. I just hope I have made it difficult enough that they won't bother.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2020 06:21
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I think even with an angle grinder and one cutting wheel you could chop the hinges and cut the vertical pipes. Then just pull one whole door off, lock box or no lock box. In that situation a cheap hidden trail camera that works will be your best friend.
At our place we have a gate about 700ft away from any building. I built the driveway with a few turns so you cant see much if anything from the road. Ontop of all that I lock everything up with wheels. If you want to break in il make sure your going to work for it and possibly even have to hike the stuff out.
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KinAlberta
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# Posted: 3 Oct 2020 09:51 - Edited by: KinAlberta
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Yeah its hilarious watching youtube videos promoting (or criticizing) various locks on their pick resistance or shackle thickness but they are always totally silent on the angle grinder attacks.
I think a drop bar mounted inside and connected by a line to a hidden outdoor pull (handle) might ultimately defeat the guy that cuts the lock and/or hinges.
The problem is not revealing the presence of drop bar brackets’ bolts or they’ll just grind off the bolt’s exposed caps/tops. Welding them on would do it. Otherwise maybe mounting them to a plate that is then epoxied to the inside would be strong enough.
Interesting history:
Here and other places: The Fox Police Lock Company
http://scottmacgibbon.blogspot.com/2006/10/fox-police-lock-company.html
When the Deadbolt Was Not Enough - The New York Times
Emiel Fox’s Fox Security Lock
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/nyregion/thecity/27lock.html
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