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Gary O
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 08:52am
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Quoting: Timberjack I prefer not to judge or belittle the poor sap
Interesting
Sounds fair, as long as 'the poor sap' doesn't cause my taxes to go up, and the CC&Rs brought on by a gaggle of 'poor saps' cause me to pull up stakes...............
And, I'll do my best not to belittle, but I will judge, and argue to their face (in a kindly way), and I hope to be judged and reasoned with accordingly.
Izzit gittin' warm in here, or is it just me?
Speaking of warm;
Quoting: Timberjack (ever been to MS in the summer?),
Been down south...it's suffocating in the summer. A/C down there is as essential as a cabin it'self
Now, where's my bible, encylopedia, dictionary, thesaurus and jug........I feel a discussion brewing.........
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bobrok
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:13am
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Please. No offense intented in any manner towards anyone or anyone else's opinions and/or beliefs. I just personally felt the need to back up T's statement.
Quoting Rodney King (of all people): "...can't we all just get along?"
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Gary O
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:24am
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Quoting: bobrok I just personally felt the need to back up T's statement.
No worries on my end. I love (and feed off) a good discussion.
Religion and politics really does have another place, perhaps another forum, but sometimes when one is speaking their heart, it just comes out.
That's to be applauded.
I'm thinkin' bugs and admin could chime in 'bout here, 'cause I've primed my discussion gun, and do love the hunt.
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Timberjack
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:25am
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Not my intention to start a religious discussion, been there done that and its a dead end street. My point is that we are all created differently with different outlooks and points of view. Maybe I am imagining things (cabin fever- Ha!) but I seem to detect a vibe among some here who look down upon those of us who elect to be on the grid and have a cabin that may be a second home. I should be so lucky!
Mr. Gary, I enjoy your posts and maybe another time and place we can discuss life philosophy, theology and fine scotch but not now, I gotta get to work! Cheers!
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Gary O
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:38am - Edited by: Gary O
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Quoting: Timberjack I seem to detect a vibe among some here who look down upon those of us who elect to be on the grid
Apparently they don't live down south.
Can't imagine sweatin' it out in the summer without A/C, and that'd take alot of solar I'd think.
Quoting: Timberjack I gotta get to work! Cheers
Yeah, I'm robbin Caesar as I type...but then I'm the boss.....
'til then, my brothers
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larryh
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 11:51am
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I have currently a small farm house from the 20's. I have always been interested in simple living and had many experiences along that line. But a cabin as I usually see them is normally not insulated inside which gives it that primitive look I like. But its not going to work well in cold climates. Generally I think of a cabin as reasonably small but not so tiny as to eliminate many things I enjoy. If I can't enjoy the time I would spend what is the purpose? However keeping general expenses to a minimum has always been a rule of mine. When the old plumbing quit working here I created a nice dry sink to replace it. When the septic system which was from the late 40's gave me endless trouble, I shut it down and built a sawdust potty. I have several outhouses as well. I used to like to light exclusively with oil lamps, but the quality of oil has changed, not to mention the price which has made me more appreciate of using solar panels and 12 v lights instead. One issue for me is that I have always collected records, old an new, and space to store and enjoy them is a must no matter the size of design. A water pump and cistern are simple and would be fitting of my life style as well. The biggest issue now is that as you become retired the health issues begin to creep into force one to look at the practical aspects of some of the things I took for granted before. Having surgery and having to carry heavy water or wood for heating or oil for cooking, using the out house or even emptying a heavy bucket from the sawdust potties becomes a hindrance to living as simply as you might wish.
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bobrok
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 05:32pm
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Quoting: Timberjack a vibe among some here who look down upon those of us who elect to be on the grid and have a cabin that may be a second home
Timberjack: I'll admit I was feeling kind of feisty during the repartee this morning. Your post hit me in just the right way at the right time, I think.
I don't know if this comment is directed toward me but if so I would like to reassure you and anyone else reading this that I absolutely do not look down upon any person for any choices that they make, including what we have spoken about above. I'm still kind of new at on-line forum discussion and admittedly poor at editing my thoughts before submitting. Lesson learned here.
I for one am very proud of my place and the fact that I could actually acquire one. It's something I've wanted all my life. Who am I to disdain those who enjoy the same thing or better? In fact, here's where I humble myself to others on the forum by repeating the word 'acquire'. You see, I didn't build my place. I bought it ready standing. If anyone should feel like they are being looked down upon perhaps it is I talking to those here who have built their places stick by stick and have so much more experience. I think that is the reason I shied away from here for a year or two after joining.
Secondly, I'm a New Yorker. Even though I'm not from the City perhaps I have that New York attitude and it shows up in the way I convey my thoughts. I have done business with customers in New York City for years and it could be that I've turned into one of them. This will be remedied soon. I am retiring.
My comment about the mansions going up in the ADKs is borne of frustration. We up here are bombarded by the local publications which take to task and disect every little (and big) thing, event, & circumstance: project proposals, building permits, float plane landing rights, snowmobile & ATV trails, wilderness vs. forever wild lands, road closings, paddling rights over private lands, etc, etc, etc ad nauseam. When I was young you just went up to the mountains and were lucky if a relative had a camp to enjoy. In many places now it is difficult to tell that you are in the woods. Perhaps it's the same everywhere. I know only this area.
Best regards, bob
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bugs
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 06:23pm - Edited by: bugs
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As we, my bird and I, sit here sipping OUR Guinness and reading the various posts there seems to be an underlying thread whether the cabin is a shed in the manner of the website's originator (Thanx again cabinbuilder!) or a second home with amenities or even a first home. Whether it is on or off grid. Whether it is 2 acres or 60 hectares. Hunting/fishing or just photographing. The thread, I see at least, is getting away from normal life and recharging and enriching one's soul(s) (whatever one wishes to define soul as).
For some this "escape" can be done through music, dance or art, but, speaking for myself... (not the bird!!), I need the natural settings and the quiet and the toil and the reward of the toil to have fulfillment (I think RnR had a thread that touched on this awhile back). Sadly in my "real" work I rarely see the end result of my labours (Spelled like a true CDN). At our "corner of paradise" when I pound a 3d nail I see the result. If I clear a trail I see the result. And this makes me happy. I watch nature go by and chat with a chipmunk, a wren or a moose that makes me happy. If I stare into the fire or at the star filled sky or make a rock compass wheel I am human. I am content. I am at peace. I wonder.
So who is pouring tonight?
All the best
bugs.
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MikeOnBike
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 06:43pm
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Well, I'm out of Glenmorangie. I think I'm going to replace it with a Oban 14 or Highland Park 12. The Quarter Cask sounds tempting but I don't think I've worked myself up to the peat of the Islay varieties.
Our 'camp' is very much a creative outlet for myself. I'm very much a 'hands on' type but my job as a software engineer doesn't really feed that. I 'need' to build my shed, cabin, outhouse, water system, electrical system, etc.
Can't wait for spring. We need one more foot of snow on the mtn. and then it needs to start thawing. Like Gary said, go build a model.
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After the first snow in Dec. 2007.
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Gary O
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 08:32pm
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Quoting: bugs So who is pouring tonight?
I believe it be my turn to decant, however it seems being scotch is a bit of an oxymoron when it comes to relieving one's self of cash in exchange for a single malt...so the bargain US brand has been my choice of late..anyone care to help finish off a jug of Wasmund's?
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 08:44pm
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i have had a dream of living in the woods since i was a little girl camping up in Moosejaw,Canada.i would daydream my parents would just forget me.They would come back but i would hide in a cave i had found.i would steal campers foods in the summer.i would lay moss on my cave floor hoping it would take off and grow into a soft green mossy carpet.I loved when my dad would hunt.He would bring home ducks for me to clean.we ate everything and people who are prissy about killing things to eat.it is actually alot cleaner and safer than what meats we would buy at the food store.He did everything a self starter interesting woodsman would do.hunt,build boats,make beer in the basement at our home.We always had a base camp somewhere that he owned.To me to have anything small and anything handbuilt is my woodsey dream.to hunt for our food .to stuggle to clear off the land .to do and to just sit and be.to hear the silence.to feel the breeze on the mt.top going thru the trees.to work out at our place and keep it somewhat rustic.i do not want a tv or city things there.last week the big guy was mad and the daughter mad and i was mad.and i thought to heck with all of this.i was ready to pack up my car and head to the woods and work on the moblie home out there and burn more piles and have peace.i dont really want anything but a utility sink n an inside kitchen.not a fancy uptown kitchen.just one with a propane tank. and inside so i dont have to go outside in the summer kitchen to make coffee and my dishcloth freezes in my hand before i get it to the coffee cup to wash.i want to hang my clothes out in the meadow to get the good and wonderful smell of the mt air on my clothes.i may not be fancy or have a fancy place.i wouldnt want things up in my mts that take me away from the outside.too big of a place,tv's or computers or phones.we do need a phone for emergency .i just do not want my place to buffer me from nature and too big of a woods home would do that.mostly i want to hear the quiet of the mts.i thought of hanging all my windchimes in all the trees.nope.i try to be careful what i take up there .i do not want music even.just quiet.thats what i go up ther for.that i could ever actually live there will be a long lifetime dream.now is the time.no kids to worry about,no having to hand wash out there bed wettings.no worrying if they are hurt.just me and the big guy working out our dreams of peace,good air,good water,exercise and togetherness and even good food.simple foods.the way it would seem to be to live long and stay in good health.
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:06pm
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Quoting: cabingal3 i have had a dream of living in the woods since i was a little girl camping up in Moosejaw,Canada.i would daydream my parents would just forget me.They would come back but i would hide in a cave i had found.i would steal campers foods in the summer.i would lay moss on my cave floor hoping it would take off and grow into a soft green mossy carpet.I loved when my dad would hunt.He would bring home ducks for me to clean.we ate everything and people who are prissy about killing things to eat.it is actually alot cleaner and safer than what meats we would buy at the food store.He did everything a self starter interesting woodsman would do.hunt,build boats,make beer in the basement at our home.We always had a base camp somewhere that he owned.To me to have anything small and anything handbuilt is my woodsey dream.to hunt for our food .to stuggle to clear off the land .to do and to just sit and be.to hear the silence.to feel the breeze on the mt.top going thru the trees.to work out at our place and keep it somewhat rustic.i do not want a tv or city things there.last week the big guy was mad and the daughter mad and i was mad.and i thought to heck with all of this.i was ready to pack up my car and head to the woods and work on the moblie home out there and burn more piles and have peace.i dont really want anything but a utility sink n an inside kitchen.not a fancy uptown kitchen.just one with a propane tank. and inside so i dont have to go outside in the summer kitchen to make coffee and my dishcloth freezes in my hand before i get it to the coffee cup to wash.i want to hang my clothes out in the meadow to get the good and wonderful smell of the mt air on my clothes.i may not be fancy or have a fancy place.i wouldnt want things up in my mts that take me away from the outside.too big of a place,tv's or computers or phones.we do need a phone for emergency .i just do not want my place to buffer me from nature and too big of a woods home would do that.mostly i want to hear the quiet of the mts.i thought of hanging all my windchimes in all the trees.nope.i try to be careful what i take up there .i do not want music even.just quiet.thats what i go up ther for.that i could ever actually live there will be a long lifetime dream.now is the time.no kids to worry about,no having to hand wash out there bed wettings.no worrying if they are hurt.just me and the big guy working out our dreams of peace,good air,good water,exercise and togetherness and even good food.simple foods.the way it would seem to be to live long and stay in good health.
you sound like the real deal.........i have a lot of respect for your thoughts.........G R E A T post!!!!!!!!!! BTW
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Gary O
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:18pm
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Quoting: bobrok I have done business with customers in New York City for years and it could be that I've turned into one of them.
I hear ya Bob.
For the last 15 yrs I've gotten to work at 5AM in order to do business w/NY,NJ, NC,MA and even RI. Seems they're not so surly if you catch 'em early.
In dealing throughout the lower 48 the traits really take a distinct swing.
Calif people are so laid back I have to double audit their confirmation to make sure they adhere to the specs (after opening all their forwarded jokes).
Eastern folk barely expend the time to get the details, so I have to double audit their confirmation to make sure they adhere to the specs.
Southern folk want to spend the morning jawing about their last bass fishing adventure, so I have to double audit their confirmation to make sure they adhere to the specs.
Canuks/Midwest..I have yet to audit
Point bein' it's not quite the same everywhere.
Thus the facsinating posts from all over this continent and else where, and the struggles related.
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Gary O
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:37pm
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Quoting: turkeyhunter you sound like the real deal
Oh, she's the real deal alright.
When getting ready to go back to town, after spending a few days at the cabin, it takes about 20 minutes to get her in the Jeep, what with the flailing arms and kicking and all.
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 09:46pm
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Quoting: Gary O Oh, she's the real deal alright. When getting ready to go back to town, after spending a few days at the cabin, it takes about 20 minutes to get her in the Jeep, what with the flailing arms and kicking and all.
sounds like my daughter's when they were small, i would pick them up at a friends of theirs and they we playing and did not want to go home.....on the ride home they would have their lip poked out..........pouting....LOL
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hattie
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2011 10:58pm
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Beautiful post cabingal3. *S*
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Gary O
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 12:57am
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Quoting: cabingal3 i have had a dream of living in the woods
I'm raisin' a glass' to that my mate.
You're the better half of any inspiration I may have.
Best post I ever read.
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Timberjack
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 08:00am
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Agreed Mr. Gary, I'll raise a glass to that as well.
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bushbunkie
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 09:28am
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wow...you miss a day of posting and you guys get all "deep" on me.
There's always bound to be some misinterpretation when sharing opinions...and when sharing in written form. The content is never followed by the emotion, the smile, the laugh, the "I see your point", lets have another scotch and maybe I'll even agree, etc.
What I do read is how quick folks on this post are to follow up to keep the harmony,respect and the lines clear...that is why I enjoy your thoughts, opinions and pictures....that says something about you "posters"...is that a word?
It will come out in my opinions that, yes, I am frustrated with people who do move out to the solitude of the country and build their vision of a "cabin castle". I'm not talking about having amenities or making it a second home...I'm talking about those who go overkill, take down the trees,build monster places and have so many 24/7 operating appliances that now my vision of my cabin, my solitude has been compromised because that person is my neighbor.
It has been my experience...and it does put me at odds with some when our philosophies are so different...mine is to work together with mother nature, realizing I have a lot to learn..versus others who believe nature is a second class citizen meant to search and destroy.
That goes back to that question...when is enough, enough? and when do I speak up for my right to have solitude...because I made the conscious choice to move away...or have a place away from the city...the never ending story...and my glass needs a refill.
But before I go...jumping on cabingals great post (you rock!)...when did the itch begin for you guys re. I need to build a cabin? When did the dream begin? Were you ten, 20,30... midlife crisis :) ??
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Gary O
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 09:47am - Edited by: Gary O
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Quoting: bugs At our "corner of paradise" when I pound a 3d nail I see the result. If I clear a trail I see the result. And this makes me happy. I watch nature go by and chat with a chipmunk, a wren or a moose that makes me happy. If I stare into the fire or at the star filled sky or make a rock compass wheel I am human. I am content. I am at peace. I wonder. Quoting: larryh The biggest issue now is that as you become retired the health issues begin to creep into force one to look at the practical aspects of some of the things I took for granted before. Having surgery and having to carry heavy water or wood for heating or oil for cooking, using the out house or even emptying a heavy bucket from the sawdust potties becomes a hindrance to living as simply as you might wish.
This is truly one of the best threads related to our mutual endeavors.
Seems the subject ilicits some poignant musings, as it appears some hearts are being poured out, as the rest of us do some pouring of our own.
Very nice prose, bugs
A real consideration, larry
(however, I think if cabi3 could only crawl, she'd be just fine. The perpetual smile on her face when at or thinking about the cabin, is not soon removed)
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bushbunkie
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 09:57am
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Quoting: bugs Sadly in my "real" work I rarely see the end result of my labours (Spelled like a true CDN). At our "corner of paradise" when I pound a 3d nail I see the result. If I clear a trail I see the result. And this makes me happy. I watch nature go by and chat with a chipmunk, a wren or a moose that makes me happy. If I stare into the fire or at the star filled sky or make a rock compass wheel I am human. I am content. I am at peace. I wonder.
Ditto...Ditto...Ditto..ok, not my most profound post to date.
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Gary O
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 10:09am - Edited by: Gary O
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Where ya been bush?
Quoting: bushbunkie There's always bound to be some misinterpretation when sharing opinions...
"Why would anyone want to provoke a thought."
Jocko
to wit, lawnjocky
Tried my darndest to stir up these genteel souls in the wee hours (for me) Friday morn....everyone became all wonderful, kind, and even sorry...took the lead right out of my argument bullets.
Oh the mix of perspectives. Stimulating to this ol' bird.
Sorry, bugs, I'm an OCD thread hog
the day dawns, the shop is calling
g'day
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bobrok
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 10:26am
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Was wonderin' y u were posting at 5-6 AM your time. Now I know. :-)
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bushbunkie
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 02:50pm
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Hey Gary,
Life has been busy this week...that's all.
My wife and I didn't meet till we were 35...I'm 50 now and now have two active boys...ages 9 and 11.
Basketball, soccer and the great outdoors...they keep me busy...hence having the bunkie.
The boys love the outdoors and I want to keep them connected to the outdoors as long as I can.
I'm reading this cool book called: Raising Nature-Deficit Children.
How are young folks are growing up in the "internet - constantly connected world"... disconnected from mother nature...and therefore often disconnected to their responsibilities as stewards of mother earth...interesting.
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Gary O
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 05:48pm
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Quoting: bushbunkie The boys love the outdoors and I want to keep them connected
In this day of ear bud electronics, it's an absolute must.
Let 'em get their hands dirty, help w/projects, earn some tools of their own, build something from scrap lumber. It'll stay with them forever.
They'll build cabins one day........
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 08:50pm
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As a nurse, I send 50-60 hours a week, getting paid for 40.
I grew up in the country on a one lane dirt road with a farm house a fourth a mile off the main road. I remember getting a bathroom indoors. I remember the wood burning kitchen stove and having a fireplace to warm the whole house in the winter. Now I live in a upper scale subdivision in town. I don't know any of my neigbors and I have lived her 20 years. I hate it...... My goal is to have a small place in the country for weekends and holidays. But the cost is overwhelming, as I have a child who is a recovering drug addict. I am paying all her costs.
Oh, to have a place to escape to for just a day......
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Gary O
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 09:11pm - Edited by: Gary O
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Quoting: Anonymous But the cost is overwhelming, as I have a child who is a recovering drug addict. I am paying all her costs.
Anon
It can be done.
We all have our bag of (shall I say) stuff.
I'm sure those that have posted here are all carrying a load.
We have a Schizophrenic child. Been thru hell and back, and every so often hell again. There's other things, we all have them.
Not wanting to hang out dirty laundry, but my point is, if you want (need) something enough, you'll make it so.
Might have to give up something to get it though
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Gary O
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 09:58pm
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Somebody better be pourin' tonight
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hattie
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 10:40pm
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Quoting: bushbunkie when did the itch begin for you guys re. I need to build a cabin? When did the dream begin? Were you ten, 20,30... midlife crisis :) ??
For me it was when I was about 5 years old. *grin* My friend who lived next store had a Dad who had been refinishing their basement forever. We used to steal his wood and nails and transform my wagon into a covered wagon. She sat in front and steered and I sat on the back and pushed with my feet. We really thought we were something.
When we got older (6 years old) we moved up to building a club house with more of the wood and nails we stole from her Dad. hehehe.....Those were really fun times and I remember thinking "who needs school? I'll just build a cabin and hide in the woods."
Most kids today don't seem to have much of an imagination. Our other dreams were to buy a hot air balloon (from the back of a comic book - remember those ads?) and tie it to the ground on the front lawn. We figured we could hide in there from our parents. Oh and there was the submarine we wanted to buy for our swimming pool. hahaha... Happy days!!
No wonder I turned out so strange. *grin* By the way, her Dad never did refinish the basement. He couldn't figure where his wood kept disappearing to.
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Gary O
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 11:15pm
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Quoting: bushbunkie when did the itch begin for you guys re. I need to build a cabin? When did the dream begin? Were you ten, 20,30... midlife crisis :) ??
I think the womb was my first cabin......
Seriously, thought about it since around 5, and built my first at around 12.
As Hattie, dad did some remodeling, and I scavenged the scraps.
I built a lean-to (sorta) at the bottom of a slope. Grabbed some corrugated tin for the roof.
It never has to be much at that age. The prize is, it's yours.
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