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Captain winehead
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2012 09:52
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Trouble is, a lot of the rural areas are poor, as many of you have stated. The first time I went to my new property, I left some stuff by the road and just took a quick hike up the survey line, within minutes a truck had pulled over, to grab it, I had to run back yelling and they drove away. And you are correct, it was probably neighbors!
Leaving curtains open, small lock on doors to just discourage the random petty thief is about all you can do. And no valuables. If they want to get in they will.
Unfortunately you almost have to allow the place to look a bit crappy, as the fancy places will attract the opportunists. Solar security lights would be good, as long as no one steals them!
A bit discouraging and a sad commentary on human nature.
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Bevis
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2012 14:08
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech Bevis, why? What happened?Did you have a break in?
go back to page 6...
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2012 15:54
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OK, I remember reading that. Crazy deal too.
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 00:50
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they stole our wood stoves, the flue pipe and the heat protector shields and the patio stone under the stove along with anything they perceived valuable. we had a strong lock with a good hasp and they busted it with a big pry bar. we had been out of our camp for 9 days and lost all the stuff we need. now we are afraid that they will come back and take what they left behind. ?would trail cameras with out nighttime flash work? we are also thinking of putting bars on the windows and doors for added security - any thoughts
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2012 17:24 - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Ok, I purchased the www.eyetrax.net solar camera. I got it in T mobile, but according to the coverage map, it may have been spotty. Well, it was. I was unable to always command the change. They just expanded to AT&T service, so I sent it back in to convert to AT&T. As soon as I get it back, will make a trip over there to install it. It will be high on a tree, looking at the cabin, solar panel pointing to southern sky. It only takes pictures at motion. But I have full control of it. I can make it take a picture (snapshot) just to see if there is snow etc. I can have it text me a message, a picture, email or any combo of any of those and also to other members I set up with an account.
I got mine in "cammo"
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madmungo
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2012 12:43
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Hi,
I thought I would add to this very long thread. Having spent some time reading it all as it very close to my heart.
We have a small remote house in Spain and after owning it for 8 years with no break-ins, we have been burgled 5 times in the last 8 months.
The house has concrete block walls, concrete roof, bars on the windows, metal front door. The garage (where I had all my old military gear in plastic boxes) had a heavy roller shutter with a massive lock.
When they broke in, the door did not budge on the house, in fact the frame started ripping out of the wall and got jammed. So they broke off the bars and went through the bathroom window. The place was gutted completely of most of our belongings. (we had a lot of personal items and furniture) they could not carry it all so they stacked it in the front yard for later (we put it back in and managed to take the important items that had been left, off to another location). The garage door was not worth their effort, so they went straight through the wall with a big hammer and created a hole to climb through. Concrete blocks are NOT good enough for a remote location. Nor are bars on the windows. Anyway to cut a long story, even longer. They returned many times over the months and each time took what we assumed would never be taken. Finally the last time they even stripped out the copper water pipes and a box of matches. In all of these burglaries, they left the books! 
As I am moving out there, I have been working on ideas to make it safe. Now I will be living there so there is that as a massive deterrent, however I want security at all times for my family.
There have been a few breakins reported throughout mainland europe with sleeping gas being used to knock out inhabitants and they break in when the family are all unconscious, or coming in by force. This sort of thing is as bad as any crime in the inner cities anyway and some things you need to be prepared for no matter where you live, I am not going to spend my time being paranoid that ex-spetznaz soldiers who are now turning to burglary across europe are going to target my little shed in the middle of the desert! Instead I am more focussing on the thieving scum who spend their lives taking what is of value of others when there is no-one around to stop them.
What does concern me is going away for the day and coming home to all of my belongings missing. I am looking at a cellular gamecam with invisible flash, camouflaged to send me pictures or video whenever anyone is trespassing. I loved the camo tips from a previous poster. I also think that what might be useful is a deterrent that is switchable remotely. With a simple GSM switch for 60 pounds/dollars, I can have a 300db siren that goes off with a simple text 'turn on 20 mins' to the gsm switch. (this one is expensive but i know the ebay link to a better one will not last as long URL ) A battery buried in the ground and a solar panel on the very top of a tree would keep the system charged. What I am not sure about is if i have an alarm to deter them... they will have left before the police get there. So it would be one or the other i suppose.
I think invaluable, is speaking to the local police and making sure they know where the house is, and where they should be going when you call them after your cellular gamecam emails you with a video. (this is the one i plan to buy URL)
There is no real option for keeping your things safe if you do not inhabit the place, unless people have no idea they are there. A shipping container is no good... if they cannot get in, they will turn up next day with a cutting torch. I am pondering the idea of underground storage, but it has to be totally out of sight. If you want ideas on this, I suspect you would be better to get in to the apocalypse survival message boards. Sadly even the chap who hid his nice second hand windows under a load of branches got them taken. I do not always agree with leaving things looking useless and unwanted like that, as that sometimes turns 'honest' people in to thieves, thinking they are helping out and only 'taking' someones rubbish.
To round off, I do not want to give specifics on such a public forum, but if you want to keep stuff away from thieves, you need to be like some sort of secret agent in your underground storage. If you want to deter thieves, I can only see that it is a proven method of another previous poster to get their picture and give it to the police.
Good luck to you all.
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Captain winehead
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# Posted: 19 Oct 2012 22:09
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I would also caution against providing too much detail on this thread. Opportunistic trolls looking for vulnerable properties could, sadly, search threads like these to locate empty cabins or camps.
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TheWildMan
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2012 14:23
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my loony uncle in upstate NY got his camp broke into, he visited only 1 time every two years. hunters tresspassed all the time, cut accross the property on atvs, someone finally broke in and it took 4 months for anyone to know about it. they trashed the place, the local camps are broken into by kids and druggies (meth labs are a big problem by his place) hitting places that are known to be visitted very seldom is a common problem
i keep my cabin safe by living there year round, the rocky and steep trail in is accessable only to off road trucks, the rest is accessable only on foot (too steep or too many boulders). since i don't own a car and walk or bike everywhere i dropped a large tree accross the trail and climb over it. no one can easily get in, and if they do make the effort there is nothing of value to take (unless your amish and looking for antiquated farming tools or very very hungry and raiding the field) since my place looks like something out of the movie deliverence i got a big sign by the barn that reads "no tresspassin unless you got a real purdy mouth" to date no tresspasser has ever went past that sign
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Captain Winehead
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2012 18:09
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I don't think there is any real benefit to having a cabin, getaway, vacation property until you are ready to spend a lot of time there. At the very least every seasonable weekend or so. Just my opinion.
My land is vacant, until I go full out it will remain so. Even now when I walk it, I think...wasn't there a great big tree down over there...?...are those drag marks from someone hauling off that oak or maple for lumber...?..just a part of the wilderness experience I guess.
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2012 09:19
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So how does this work if you have no wifi,internet connection or power?
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UpstateNYADK
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2012 14:52
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just installed an ADT Wireless system at my off the grid cabin in the Adirondacks.
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KSalzwedel
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2012 20:10
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Game cameras have sd cards that are easily deleted, as we unfortunately found out when a trespasser found the camera. We had several pics of a guy in hunting camo on an ATV scouting our property on a camera weeks before. We figured he came back and found the camera. Just glad he didn't steal it.
Now we have several game cams in many locations, well hidden. Latest purchase makes no noise and has IR. It is in a locked box, python locked to a tree. Only way to take it is to cut down the tree. Can't take out or clear the sd card.
Still want a cellular. Price is just awful.
We have no trespassing signs. They are ignored, by adults! We have a driveway that has snow on it many months of the year. We are going to ask our neighbor to pull in and pull out on his way to work. That way it will look like we just left.
Don't know what else to do.
The thieves always win.
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dwdwone
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# Posted: 16 Jan 2013 20:25
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I have 10 acres in East Texas. I am not well and can't get around like I used to. My property has no cabin on it. However, I recently talked with someone about cleaning the property up, which will cost about $1,500. I would need to get a riding mower and store it on site but I'm worried about getting ripped off since it is very remote. I do have electricity but no internet. I'm considering waiting until I'm able to move there, but was hoping to make occasional improvements to the places as I had the money. So I wonder after reading this thread, how does one deal with this type of situation?
Thanks!
David
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 16 Jan 2013 22:49
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Well I just inherited some property in Ohio with a house on it in really bad shape(it needs to be torn down but I can't afford to at the moment) Even though I put up a locked gate and no trespassing signs people are still going in the unlocked house and tearing out whatever is left. No way would I ever build there ,anytime we spend there is in a tent with someone there to guard our stuff. In my situation the only way to keep my things safe is to not leave anything there.
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sparky1
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# Posted: 17 Jan 2013 09:21
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Just a idea back in my empty Head.
there are "vandweller people" .full time camper people in nice maybe RV's that would "LOVE" to have a kinda free place to stay, live off your land-keep it safe(maybe),many have Air card internet -or cell phones they could keep you posted.
Just a idea.
sparky1 in s.va.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 18 Jan 2013 13:49
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I haven't read the whole thread but here's what I've learned-
Locks keep honest people honest. If someone is determined to get in they will work at it. The easiest lock to get into is a simple padlock on a hasp. Common Masterlock padlocks break with one accurate smack with a hammer, so I'm told. But even if you put a much better lock on the hasp, a thief can just put a large pipe wrench on the padlock and twist until the hasp or lock break. This is harder to do if the padlock is on a chain.
I removed my padlocks on hasps and replaced with puck locks on hidden hasps. See this link-
http://www.allpadlocks.com/ez-catalog/X380790/92?gclid=CJTa-IzI8rQCFaGPPAodRRYA1Q
That's just one supplier. They are made for locking vans in urban situations, but fit nicely on my dual doors on my two sheds. Probably would not work well on a single entry door. Advantage to this design is that thieves cannot grab the lock with anything, and cannot easily cut the hasp. Makes it a lot harder for them than a typical hasp and padlock.
In my case, breaking the hasp and padlocks would have been easier than breaking the doors, now breaking the doors would be easier than breaking the hidden hasp puck locks. So I made their task more difficult, more time consuming, and more noisy, which they don't like, because my neighbor has a big dog with long fangs.
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Snuffy
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2013 08:33
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Check out SimpliSafe.com. It's owner installed alarm systems that can be monitored. They have cell technology but your need power. Monitoring fee is around $15 per mo. They also have outdoor sirens.
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missouriboy
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# Posted: 4 Feb 2013 22:51
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Sad that it is this bad. I have also been broken into. They used a battery powered recipricating saw to cut the locks on the gate and trailer. Stole my trailer, some tools in the barn and 5 gallons of diesel. Thought if it happens again I am gong to buy an extra 5 gallon can of diesel fill it up and put a couple cups of sugar in it. They did catch the guys, 3 of them. They had stolen over $500,000 worth of stuff around the county. One got probation, the other two got 3 years and were out in 18 months. Of course I didn't get anything back.
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BaconCreek
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# Posted: 14 Feb 2013 20:14
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Wondering if anyone has tried one of these for off grid cabin security. Where we are an alarm isn't practical and I am more interested in a deterrent.
http://www.misdefenseproducts.com/Barking-Dog-Alarms-p-1-c-409.html
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sugarriver73
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2013 07:35 - Edited by: sugarriver73
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I must say after reading all these stories it's quite saddening.
One thing I've learn thru the years with construction is if the tool involves manual labor thieves tend to leave it be shovels,wheelbarrows,rakes,hammers.
So my advice is don't waste a lot of space securing these types of items.
What about a Job site box?
Not only can you bolt them down to floor or to a wall, if there's enough weight in them it takes a small boy,two old men and team mules to it.
If I ever put up a sign I'd go with something like the picture here.
I also like the idea of meeting your neighbors... Stop by introduce yourself..(unless your all commando style) ..offer to lend them a hand if ever needed..a little good will goes a long way.
Sure given enough time or desperation thieves and vandals will and can do just about anything. I plan to live full time at my cabin, but am sure I'l have to come off the land at some point , for that I currently stream off a tablet to my cell phone, I will be looking at trail cams after reading stories here. Thanks for the insights 
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BaconCreek
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2013 10:02
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May borrow that sign.
Neighbors we have are assorted meth makers and pot growers. We haven't had any issues with them and we are always cordial as one can be. (while packing a 357 and/or AR-15)
We are in the process of building our cabin. We have a campsite which currently consists of 2 decks and 1 outhouse and a small storage structure.
We have not had any issues the last 5 years we have owned the property but there is not really anything of value at the campsite.
The cabin construction has me a bit worried. We have assorted trail cameras up but I am looking for a deterrent.
The alarm would only be heard by the neighbors. Not good.
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George
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2013 10:25
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Two concrete dead heads,one on each side of the driveway with a case hardened bolt protruding.14' piece of angle with spikes welded to it.Camo it with a cushion material...leaves.With 4 flat tires, he'll have to get the neighbor to give him a lift.
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2013 16:31
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Problem with doing things to the trespassers/burglars (sugared fuel, road spikes) is that they know where your stuff is, and you don't know who they are. They can come back and get even. A threatening sign might encourage them to come armed (if they aren't already).
I can only hope that capturing a trespasser /burglar on trail camera might put a parolee back in jail. If the sheriff merely warns a trespasser to stay away, nothing can stop him/her from coming back with a mask and looking for your cameras. A real-time camera that sends one pictures could potentially warn one to call sheriff (and provide him a picture), but this setup needs cell reception and $$$. I might have to invest... Hard to win in any case.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2013 17:14
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It still boggles my mind every time I read about some of the ideas people come up with on this subject. Intentionally setting anything that could be interpreted by a court as a booby trap, will get you, the perpetrator of the booby trap into as much if not more trouble than the "alleged" trespasser / potential vandal or thief. That is especially true if the trespasser / thief is injured.
Providing these rights to a trespasser / thief may not seem right, but that is the way things are. We are not savages, no matter how pissed off we might get. All we as property owners can do is take the precautions we can and purchase insurance; don't leave irreplaceable heirlooms at the remote property, and so on.
And no, my politics do not lean to the left, but I do have an understanding of how the law views this sort of thing. This is also not new; I know someone who got himself into some potential trouble 50 years ago by having a back door to a workshop booby trapped. Someone broke in. Fortunately the burglar was not injured, just scared the crap out of him when the shotshell discharged into a steel can. My friend never encountered any lasting legal issues; just a stern talking lecture from the investigating RCMP Officers and a Judge.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2013 17:16
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I was going to add that another friend has had good succes with game cameras photos and his local Sheriff. The individuals in the photos were known to the police and arrested and spent some more time as guests of the State of Virginia.
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2013 17:25
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Cause harm to a trespassers property and they might just come back and burn your cabin to the ground. Such bad advise.
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George
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2013 00:00
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I live in mine full time.Last summer the neighbor guy got broke in as he lives 150 miles away.Not sure if it was the TV left on loud enough to hear approaching the house,with the second truck parked in front of the cabin, or the 2 shepherds barking ,maybe all of the above, but they steered clear of this place.I hate thiefs.I had a gas thief when I worked in Seattle, and I decided to nail him.I put a motion yard light up without the bulbs,inserted a plug in one socket(a screw in)and ran the cord through my 5th wheel window.Had the outside power source on the 5th wheel.Pluged my radio in to it, and 2:30 that next morning I got woke up by my radio,slowly walked to the door and kept my thief at gun point till the cops arrived.As far as spikes on the driveway,I really don't worry about anyone getting even,I seldom am gone long enough to have time for anyone to change a few tires and leave.Chances of having 2-3 spares are slim, and changing them on a 26% grade driveway would be a Bitch.
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2013 20:58
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In order to keep my door from being kicked in anymore, I decided to leave it unlocked. A few things disappeared, such as the inverter that was in a box. I still have the box, as the burglar was kind enough to leave me with it. Also missing my backpack, which probably made it handy to pack out a few things.
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Moving Pictures
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2013 21:20
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I have pondered a sign saying "Trespassers will be exsanguinated."
Pondering a few gargoyles in prominent locations to assist in setting the appropriate tone.
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BaconCreek
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2013 09:08
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I had a gargoyle by my entrance gate but someone stole it. 
Bad Karma from that I bet.
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