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# Posted: 16 Feb 2011 02:57pm
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A whole ring of thieves was recently nabbed in our cabin area. The police had been on to them as they tried to resell stolen goods through their network. The whole town is rejoicing.
If you have neighbours close by, a door alarm such as this one http://www.thesource.ca/estore/product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Ho me+Security%2fAccessories&product=4902018 could be a good deterrent. These emit powerful alarms, like smoke alarms that are quite deafening. Battery powered and unexpected. Will at least draw attention from your neighbours or passers-by.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2011 03:08pm - Edited by: TomChum
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Has anyone tested one of these? (Spy Clock, ~$40-$60 ) it records video when detecting motion. There are 7 pages of them on eBay, (all appear to be same mfr). I have a Bushnell TrophyCam ($185) but it wouldn't do much good because the thief would take it home.
Possibly the spy clock would be un-interesting, and maybe not stolen.
But most of all...
1) do they work?
2) how long is the run-time (batteries)?
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sm paul
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2011 05:28pm
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We have a third car which is a 94 camry with 295,000 miles on it. My wife parks her good car during the winter and drives that one.
In the summer we leave it parked out at the land. We also leave a radio on 24/7 and we have a couple led lamps in the camper hooked up to a photodetector that come on at night and stay on till morning. We also leave our lawn furniture out around the campfire pit.
We try to give the impression that we could be taking a nap or out on a hike and might be back at any moment.
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 25 Mar 2011 09:50am
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We have just rebuilt our camp (origanal camp 1928) that was burnt to the ground by young thugs, that were eventually caught and ordered to pay restitution...have recived about 25 dollors in 2 years
one of the kids was a cops daughter. Anyways now have a game cam that we will hide outside and post intruders pictures on every
bullitin board we can find asking for info on person and a phone number to a disposable phone. The intruder will never have a tire that won't go flat or a car engine that will run. We have already been broken into since the new camp was built last Oct. Got the game camera for Christmass and am now ready for repay.
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rayyy
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2011 07:38am
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I once had a camp site the contained nothing but a large pile of wood stacked under a beautiful old maple tree,a stone fire pit,a home made pallet wood out house and a ratty old picnic table.Never minded anyone using it for a camp fire or tent camping.People did respect it and left it as they found it,less a little fire wood,maybe.But,you guessed it,one day the whole wood pile was set afire,dragged the old picnic table over to it and threw it on.The heat was so intense it killed the tree.Kicked apart the out house,destroying it.Strung the toilet paper all over the place and threw the rocks from the fire pit all around.....Nice People!
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2011 09:05am
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That is a direct result of angry havenots, envious of the haves. Comes from poor upbringing as a child, no work ethic and too dependent upon governements handouts.
Sorry to hear about the destruction of your cool camp spot rayyy.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2011 10:27am
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech ....angry havenots, envious of the haves.......poor upbringing as a child....no work ethic.....dependent upon governements handouts.
Hey TMT, It makes me mad to hear of that too. When I was a kid, there were lots of punks who did stuff like that (or involved in vandalism) , and they were often from 'good' families. I do agree with the 'work ethic' part though. I think when kids grow up without working they don't develop value for themselves (or anything else), and destroying makes them feel better (otherwise known as 'showing off'). Like lighting a fire under that kid's pickup truck would make me feel better!
Terrible story, I'm sorry to hear that happened to a special place, I hope you rebuilt it, of created a new one.
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Hermid
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# Posted: 12 Apr 2011 09:20am
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Middle class and rich kids wont hesitate to smash stuff up. Alot of the "Trashy" punk kids come from good homes where I am from. Alot of them get into dealing drugs and what not.
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 26 Apr 2011 07:10pm
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And some kids pay the ultimate price for their vandalism when they cross the wrong guy.
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Gary O
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# Posted: 26 Apr 2011 08:59pm - Edited by: Gary O
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Well, shoot, I was one of those.
No home abuse or riches, not much idle time (summer hay, choppin' wood for winter, harvesting walnuts, chores), but when I (we) broke free, nothing was sacred.
Reason?
Who knows?
Didn't need one...it was a joint effort.
Country kids tend to go a bit nuts when let go in town.
Paid for it though.
Grew up too.
Some direct understanding with a willow, correctly applied, tends to grow ya up pretty fast.
Quoting: Anonymous And some kids pay the ultimate price for their vandalism when they cross the wrong guy.
Sometimes it's yer own ol' man.......
Years later, at 14, well, there were other interests...........
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Brad B
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# Posted: 27 Jun 2011 09:14pm
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Sigh... Got a call from a neighbor, seems all the cabins on our little road were robbed. My door was kicked in despite a heavy duty deadbolt and extra long/strong screws. I won't know what if anything is gone until this weekend, and I need to give the sheriff the inventory.
I didn't have any valuables there- I'm guessing my cheap toolbox is gone (along with the broken socket wrench). I'll be missing some rusty screw drivers, an old hammer or two, maybe some cassette tapes and a $5 garage sale special CD player. The previous owner left the place unlocked with a sign saying "Come in for shelter, but leave the place like you found it" If I had left the place unlocked, I'm sure I would have still been robbed but I wouldn't have a door frame to repair...
My neighbor lost many things including his generator. They even hauled out his bed!
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 27 Jun 2011 09:38pm
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Quoting: Brad B seems all the cabins on our little road were robbed
that is aweful.........i hope they did not clean you out. I hate a thief.
Trail camera mounted high.........will help if they come back.
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nathanprincipe
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# Posted: 27 Jun 2011 09:49pm
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When I went to my cabin last weekend to do a little work I found my back door siliconed shut! A good prank I admit but I am worried about it going to far. I have been given a trail cam and am returning this week to mount it along with no trespassing
signs
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2011 07:05am
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Quoting: nathanprincipe I found my back door siliconed shut
now that's really wierd!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gary O
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2011 09:28am - Edited by: Gary O
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Quoting: Brad B all the cabins on our little road were robbed. My door was kicked in
Tweekers
Very desperate individuals.....usually not armed, but dirty rotten thieves that would steal from their grandmothers......there's not enough jails or money to support their detention, but there's still plenty of ammo......
Had a boss who, after discovering being robbed, said, "I just want their hands".....I like that kind of thinking.........
Trail cam? It'd be camo/bush time for me.......a load of jerk meat, water, wait.........
Quoting: nathanprincipe found my back door siliconed shut!
Children...either rich/bored or breaking free from self supposed child slavery.
Just need to be caught and a bit of willow technology applied.
Quoting: turkeyhunter Trail camera mounted high
yup
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Brad B
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2011 10:04pm
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I like the trail camera mounted high. My non-functioning camera did give the thieves some pause- They spent a lot of time smashing it! A working one mounted high would require means of changing batteries, etc, which means taking an extension ladder to and from, or stashing one. I think a number of faux ones with one working one would overwhelm the average lazy ba$-turd thief.
Here's mainly what was missing from my recent break in:
Nitrile gloves
paper towels
toilet paper
baby wipes
kids blocks, wooden and plastic
Viewmaster viewer and reels
2 hammers
20 lb propane tank
swings for playset
spiral notebook- they ripped out the pages that were used.
Spaghetti O's
mail basket
kitchen trash bags
storage containers
They ripped open the backs of pictures, hoping for loot. The didn't find any treasure.
My door frame and dead bolt were badly damaged, worth more than the sum of the above.
What a bunch of jerks. Had to explain it all to my kids.
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2011 07:12am - Edited by: turkeyhunter
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i am so sorry for you damage to your place and stuff that was stolen. Those must pe some grownups --not kids doing this --by the stuff taken...........i hate a thief!!!!!..........could you put the trail camers up high and down the drive or trail to your cabin????........so maybe they would not notice it????
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2011 07:28am
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I could put trail cameras up high, but then I'd have to have a ladder to reach them (change memory cards and batteries). I'd have to car-top the ladder each visit to the cabin, since they could cut any chain I'd use to lock up the ladder (they cut a large chain blocking the driveway). I don't want to haul a ladder back and forth each time. I'd rather overwhelm them with a bunch of very visible up-high fakes and a few well-hidden but reachable real cameras down where I can get 'em.
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TomChum
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2011 11:33am - Edited by: TomChum
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Quoting: Brad B I'd have to car-top the ladder each visit to the cabin
Maybe you could watch for a junky/free ladder and leave it there? A $20 ladder hidden in the woods is a reasonable risk, and beats carrying it back and forth and wear and tear on the cartop.
Camera hidden AND above a 'normal line of sight' is good. I don't think it has to be extension-ladder high. 10-12 feet high is my guess (of course depending on the area). I put mine on a tree up on a bank, so I can walk to it. This is handy. You can see pics here: http://www.small-cabin.com/forum/1_1115_0.html#msg13006
If you put too many decoys then you teach them what to look for (and what to shoot at). My advice would be to put a sign at the 'gate' that says "Hidden cameras on premises, Trespasser photos will be submitted to the Sheriff". As you might assume I have lots of shooters. So far, no thieves. Sorry to hear this.
Regarding decoys, you could instead put up a bunch of birdhouses. A thief, however, upon seeing your sign will think they are all cameras. They are pretty easy to make, and it keeps grampa off the street. Then your guests (and your children) will think you appreciate wildlife. And as time goes by, they will become wildlife habitat. With luck, everyone will forget about the punks, including you. This is good for your relaxation, and certainly better for children.
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Vince P
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2011 10:06pm - Edited by: Vince P
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Quoting: Brad B My neighbor lost many things including his generator. They even hauled out his bed
When stuff like that gets taken, nine times out of ten it's someone who lives very close by.
Seems like almost sooner or later, every place with an absentee owner gets broken into. I started this very well worn thread over three years ago when my place was broken into and it really has made me paranoid everytime I come around the corner... half expecting to see my door kicked in again. But... at the same time, I have to admit that having control over almost anything in life is just a fantasy.
I feel for you, pick up the pieces and learn what you can from the experience, but don't dwell on it... it'll eat you alive.
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stevewriter
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# Posted: 2 Aug 2011 05:51pm
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I just had a break in and was considering beefier locks, bolts, and security, but as other posters noted, the remote location makes it all useless. Thieves could always use a crowbar on the door or break a window -- who's going to hear it? I think I'll just take the generator, chainsaw, and other expensive stuff home after each visit.
RE: remote cameras, a neighbor on my mountain just had a bunch of his wildlife cameras stolen. Even if you camouflage them, they make noise when taking pix.
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malcolmtmat
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# Posted: 29 Aug 2011 03:32am
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The best deterrent is making friends with your neighbors, the next best is shooting a 12 gauge off everytime you are there. Thieves and cranksters are scared of firearms. You show your neighbors that you are not scared to use a gun and word will travel in local areas.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 29 Aug 2011 12:45pm
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Quoting: stevewriter they make noise when taking pix.
Not all of them make noise. The worst thing mine do is light up some IR LED's when it's too dark for natural illumination. And they are not too noticeable unless you are close and looking directly at them. During daylight mine are totally silent.
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davestreck
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# Posted: 29 Aug 2011 10:15pm - Edited by: davestreck
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After the shed at my camp was broken into and my chainsaw stolen a few years ago, I spoke for a while with the local RCMP Constable about the subject of cabin security. My camp is on a remote offshore island, and the only way to get there is by boat. But after five years of going up there every summer for a few weeks and talking with the locals at the hardware store or the supermarket, it was pretty well known around town that some crazy American was building something out there. It was only a matter of time before some curious folks came poking around. It was my bad luck that they happened to be the kind of people who apparently thought nothing of stealing from me.
The Constable (a hell of a nice guy, BTW) told me that, in his opinion, locks just served to convince people that there is something inside worth stealing. No lock, no matter how strong, will keep anyone out for very long, especially in such a remote spot. If they cant pry the lock off they'll smash the door. If that doesn't work they'll chainsaw their own door. If that doesn't work they'll come back with a cutting torch. If they still can't get in they'll burn the damn place down just out of spite. The trick, in his opinion, is to accept the fact that people will be out there, and to leave nothing there that you can't live without. So, every year we return to the cabin, find muddy footprints all over the floor, and discover something missing. A ladder, or a folding camp chair, or some rusty old tool, or whatever. We've come to accept this as part of owning a cabin. I wish it wasn't this way, but there it is. We say "c'est la vie", and move on, trying not to let it get us down. This system had worked for us for the past few years.
The problem now is that we are getting to the point where we want the cabin to be more than a "wooden tent". Specifically, we intend to wire the cabin for electricity and install a solar system. So now I am confronted with the problem of how to store thousands of dollars worth of electronics and batteries and whatnot, and have reasonable confidence they will still be there when we arrive every summer.
Obviously I can't trust the goodness of my fellow man to not nick every last nut and bolt the moment they lay eyes on it. And, for the reasons I outlined above, building a locked equipment "bunker" is not going to cut it.
So, (don't laugh) I'm leaning toward a "secret room". A foot or so deep false wall built into a shed ell I plan to build off the back of the cabin. Fill the shed full of camping gear and other junk, maybe conceal the false wall panel behind some shelves, and leave it totally unlocked and unsecured. After we've left for the year, the local scumbags can look around, help themselves to some worthless crap, and all the while just inches from them my valuable PV gear is sitting completely undetectable. I love the idea so much that I've been fantasizing about all the other stuff I can leave up there and never have to haul back and forth ever again. The generator! Propane tanks! A (new) chainsaw! Scotch! The list goes on.
Maybe its too Larry Lightbulb to actually work, but right now I'm digging the idea. Has anyone else ever actually tried this?
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CabinBuilder
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2011 10:04am - Edited by: CabinBuilder
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Quoting: davestreck ... a "secret room". A foot or so deep false wall built into a shed
Good idea. The drawback is that it would take some valuable space from the cabin's sq footage. Unless it's in a separate storage shed where space is not a real issue.
My solution for storing valuable items was to dig a hole in the ground, size of a largest plastic container with lid I could find in Wal-mart, place container there and cover/camo the spot.
The only problem I have is moisture accumulation in the container.
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Just
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2011 10:48am
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I have a friend with a moose camp on the Moosanee train line in northern ONT. CAN. . THE ONLY THING THEY CAN'T CARRY OUT IS THE STOVE ! THEY BURY IT AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR 65 YEARS!! SEEMS THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIEVES!!!
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trollbridge
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2011 12:35pm
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Good grief... why can't people leave other peoples stuff alone?
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hattie
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2011 12:55pm
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How sad it is when we have to figure out how to hide our things to protect them from being stolen. *sigh* Our old timer friend (now passed) never locked a door in his 80+ years. He said people would just bust a window or a door to get in. At our camp, we do lock the camper, but we take home the generator because we don't want that stolen. Very rarely we will see signs of people being there, but so far nothing has been taken.
I absolutely love the idea of a hidden room! I bet that would work great! Just throw all the valuables in there when you leave and you are good to go. I'd leave a few inexpensive things out though or it may look a bit too empty. Just leave some cans of beans, toothpaste, etc. to make it look relatively normal and hide all the tools, generators, etc.
As far as your solar panels, wasn't there someone on this forum awhile ago who had a mobile system on a trailer? He just took it in with him when he went to his place and took it home when he left. I don't know how practical that would be, but I thought it looked pretty neat when I saw it. Just a thought.
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davestreck
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2011 05:39pm - Edited by: davestreck
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Quoting: hattie As far as your solar panels, wasn't there someone on this forum awhile ago who had a mobile system on a trailer? He just took it in with him when he went to his place and took it home when he left. I don't know how practical that would be, but I thought it looked pretty neat when I saw it. Just a thought.
The trailer is a cool idea if you can drive to your cabin, but it wouldn't work for us because we have to take our boat out to our site and then hike in. The only stuff we can bring is stuff we can carry on our backs. One more complication from having built on an island!
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davestreck
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2011 05:44pm
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Quoting: trollbridge Good grief... why can't people leave other peoples stuff alone?
Right? Who are these people? I can't imagine the mindset that says, "Its OK to take this because no one is around and I want it"
I can't figure it out. I guess I was raised right. Makes me a bit of a sucker, though.
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