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cabingal3
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# Posted: 17 Aug 2014 02:42pm
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thanks RichInThe USA!
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moregon
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# Posted: 24 Aug 2014 06:50pm
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It will take me a few years before I can go off grid, in the meantime I will most likely only make it up monthly. My property is about 7 hours away from where I live now.
I plan on finding my neighbors and bribing them with home made jams! I make Strawberry, Blueberry, Apple Pie, Orange Marmalade, Peach, Spiced Plum, Carrot Cake, Meyer Lemon.....any takers???
~Monique
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 27 Aug 2014 08:06pm
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Quoting: moregon I plan on finding my neighbors and bribing them with home made jams! I make Strawberry, Blueberry, Apple Pie, Orange Marmalade, Peach, Spiced Plum, Carrot Cake, Meyer Lemon.....any takers???
Monique, glad I'm not your neighbor, I'd be 350+ lbs in no time. 
I have made a super good friend near my cabin. No way to it without going past his place and I let him know anytime I'm coming. Any rig not recognized, goes in and doesn't come right back out, he checks up on them to see what they are up to. I have so far, had zero issues.
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The Hermit
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# Posted: 27 Aug 2014 11:46pm
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I had a friend I used to go fish spearing with and he had gas thieves. I'm not recommending what he did today but things were different in the 50's. He had a trot line that we strung across the bay. it was 50 yars long and had a hook on it every foot or so. He strung it across his property by his garage and soon had hunks of skin and flannel shirt bits on it. And, no more gas stolen.
He was also know as being crude and shooting his 45 everyday and most folks left him alone. I kinda miss the old fool.
The Hermit
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Mainiac
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2014 05:15pm
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Making friends is the best policy,
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2014 06:20pm
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Mainiac..... I read this yesterday a friend near my Maine camp sent me..... amazing read-the hermit/thief of long pond Maine...over 1000 break ends and he got 7 months...wth
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201409/the-last-true-hermit?src=longreads& printable=true
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 1 Sep 2014 01:19pm
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we are happy campers these days.
seems the meth lab mama n her grown men who were stealing from everyone out at our woods.got in trouble,the boys are either in jail,going thru court or going to jail and mama is out of the picture too from what i understand.
so all of us will have peace for a while.
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Kudzu
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# Posted: 1 Sep 2014 05:28pm
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Quoting: The Hermit I had a friend I used to go fish spearing with and he had gas thieves.
I had a gas thief, left him some sugared up gas in a five gallon can. Lost my can but never had any more problems.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 1 Sep 2014 10:41pm
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 good one Kudzu!
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2014 08:48pm
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In 2009 here in NM near our place in the mountains a hermit type of a guy was killed in a fight with deputies. One deputy was killed. He had been burglarizing cabins for 0 - 12 years. It is also suspected he spent the colder portions of the winters sheltering in closed for the season cabins in the area. He was known as the Cookie Bandit. Game cameras etc caught glimpses of him but never good enough to ID. After he was killed his DNA was used to trace him back to some killings in other states, even Canada. You never know who is stealing for what, nor how dangerous they may be.
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Darenkcbiggar
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2014 06:52am - Edited by: Darenkcbiggar
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I installed trail cams, they can break the camera but I'd have the card. I have one at my gate the rest are hidden. And, build a hasp that's a little harder to cut. Just making it a little more inconvenient for the thieves. Two locks on trail cam unit that can't be cut.
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Darenkcbiggar
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2014 06:59am - Edited by: Darenkcbiggar
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Here's a better pic of my case I built for trial cam.
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jesse977
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2014 01:51am - Edited by: jesse977
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When I build my cabin Im thinking of having these type of windows/shutters. I think that they look cool and when you are away they will help in keeping the riff raff from breaking in.
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Tarmetto
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2014 06:26am
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Quoting: jesse977 When I build my cabin Im thinking of having these type of windows/shutters. I think that they look cool and when you are away they will help in keeping the riff raff from breaking in.
We're considering something similar, only with the shutters on the inside with a slide-bar. The window could still be broken though.
Maybe shutters inside and out?
Actually, I think our area will be ultra safe. Met our closest neighbor last weekend...when he found that we live 2 hrs away he gave us 4 contact numbers for him...he lives 4 miles away . He also has a rental on his property, the tenant lives there full time, retired, and keeps an eye on the place.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2014 09:04am
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I have covers over the entire window I built. It deters thieves (had no issues yet) and protect them during winds, keeps a window from getting broken from weather etc. They mount on the outside.
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Wilbour
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2014 10:37pm
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Got a call from a neighbor last night that my door was open. He figured some teens kicked in the door. He only saw this from the road and was going to close the door after the call. Needless to say I did not sleep well but had planned on going there in the morning. When I got there there was no sign of forced entry or anything missing or moved. I concluded that the door was locked but not fully latched shut. The wind must have blown the door open.
All this to say for 12 hours we felt violated and began to think that perhaps this camp was never going to be what we were planning it to be. What a relief to see nothin gone or destroyed.
Now we just have to wait to see if the door pops open on it's own again.
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2015 11:49am - Edited by: SE Ohio
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Anyone try this, or have another (off-grid) alarm system recommendation?
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This works off 12 volts, and doesn't use any power unless tripped. I've got neighbors within a mile that should hear such an alarm, no problem. If nothing else, it'll hurt someone's ears! Might hook up to storm doors too in order sound alarm (hopefully) before a door is kicked in.
Or maybe a car alarm can be modified to do same, possibly using small current (I have solar)?
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AK Seabee
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2015 07:37pm
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Thanks for the post SE Ohio. I don't know how effective it would be against two legged predators with opposable thumbs. Might just do the trick with bears though.
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razmichael
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2015 08:58am
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Quoting: SE Ohio Anyone try this, or have another (off-grid) alarm system recommendation?
Not saying that this will not work but,..
The primary reason this setup draws little/no power is that the control board shuts of the display and that the system is only using magnetic door/window switches. There are no motion or sound sensors that are always on (although these draw so little power anyway).
if you want something like this and don't mind putting it together yourself (you need a bit of understanding on relays), you can save a heck of a lot of money. Here a list of sample components from amazon that will do the trick just as well:
Control Board
Siren
Key Plate
Door sensors 6 pack
That's just over $50 in parts. Add some wire and a box for the controller and that's it. I'm sure you can even do better than this for cost as I just quickly searched.
I will add that, depending on your solar power system, you might find that the draw from a standard alarm system is really not going to make an impact. I know our house system (bunch of door/window sensors, glass break, motion sensors) will run for days off the included tiny 12v backup battery (they are 12V systems anyway).
At my cabin, I have 2 motion sensors that activate LED floods and two "game" cameras wired to the power system. I suspect that these draw daily about the same as running the water pump for 5 seconds! These are certainly not going to be the straw that broke the camels back for my system (or it is time to add a panel).
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 15 Mar 2015 12:10pm
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Razmichael,
Thanks for the recommendation. A piece-together project such as this is right up my alley (with some learning curve just for fun). Years ago I did a little programmable logic controller work, solid state relay stuff. I see the door sensors are wireless, so I'm wondering if listed control board has means of receiving signal, or if there is a wireless receiver device needed? I could hardwire everything (not as pretty). Is the trigger delay a means of turning off the alarm after a set period? Would not want to run siren more than a minute or two.
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razmichael
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# Posted: 16 Mar 2015 04:56pm
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Please keep in mind that I only googled the components to show how cheap they could be. I had not even noticed that the door sensors are wireless. I spent a bit more time on the relay/controller to find one with a timer for off (llots of delay starts). The one I linked seem to get good reviews for quality - lousy for documentation. If you like a fun project this would give you want you want a lot cheaper than the original link. Just take any of the ones I linked to as proven as I do not have them!!! Enjoy.
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2015 04:11pm
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Here's how it works... 12 volt system The timer relay module (see amazon link above) requires 12 volts, and can switch up to 30 amps. The timer relay will make contact if voltage is applied to a pair of terminals, will do via reed switches mounted on each cabin entry. Timer relay can be adjusted to stay on up to 61 minutes, but that's a bit long to run a (exterior mounted) siren. I think 1 minute is enough. A keyswitch on cabin exterior with green LED (and current limiting resistor) tells me the alarm is on. A latching relay with red LED (and current limiting resistor) will tell me if alarm has been tripped, providing it is tripped odd number of times. These LED's will show on outside of cabin prior to disabling alarm with keyswitch.
Latching relay is reset by "goosing" the relay with momentary contact switch. I didn't go fancy with a alarm counter since I figure once alarm goes off, they won't bother coming back.
I plan for reed switches on my storm doors as well as entry doors. Idea is to alarm when storm door opened so bad guys don't kick in entry door (lotsa work to fix). Storm doors have closers that should open reed switches once door closes. If reed switches fail or if doors left open, the alarm will cycle on and off til batteries die or neighbors burn down cabin to stop noise source, whichever comes first. Any other ideas on this?
Timer relay module uses about 10 mA at rest, 25-50 when active (making contact).
Siren uses 200 mA.
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creeky
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2015 05:14pm
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30 amps. that's gonna be some siren.
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SE Ohio
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2015 08:04pm
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30 amp siren would be cool! I bet a few of the forum folks could hear that in the next state
30 amps is the max current the timer module can switch at 30 V DC. 12 volt DC max amperage wasn't listed. The total amps at 12 volts going though the timer relay module with horns blaring will probably be under one amp, so still room to grow if need be. Sirens use about 200 milliamps each if I understood the spec correctly.
For the uninitiated, relays use electromagnetism to close switches or contacts. The relays are used to close the contacts/switches in a controlled manner so the siren doesn't keep running until the battery is exhausted. Relay T1 closes T1 contacts, latching relay LR1 switches LR1 contacts electromagnetically but keeps them closed without using continuous power (special relay type). That allows the red LED to stay lit (low power draw) signal that alarm was tripped.
The door switches are "normally closed" reed switches. In their relaxed state, their contacts are shorted, but become open in the presence of a magnet.
By installing switches on the storm doors (with mechanical closers) the alarm should sound before the entry door gets kicked in, hopefully scaring off the intruder.
The part that bothers me is that if a door switch fails (or if the door gets kicked in anyway), the alarm goes off for the given time, resets itself, then goes off again until the battery runs out. My neighbors might find this annoying... And if the sheriff calls me at 2 am, I really don't want to drive there to shut if off.
Anyhoo, I'm mulling the circuit over a little bit before I order parts for a prototype. So many projects, so little time.
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FishHog
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2015 08:23am
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interesting thread, especially since we made it to the cottage for a winter trip last weekend (first visit since the fall) and found a break-in had occurred. Were in renovation phase as its a new place for us, so only a few inexpensive hand tools were stolen, but it still feels like you have been violated.
they came prepared with bolt cutters and cut all my locks off, so at least there was minimal damage.
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2015 11:21am - Edited by: turkeyhunter
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Quoting: FishHog interesting thread, especially since we made it to the cottage for a winter trip last weekend (first visit since the fall) and found a break-in had occurred. Were in renovation phase as its a new place for us, so only a few inexpensive hand tools were stolen, but it still feels like you have been violated.they came prepared with bolt cutters and cut all my locks off, so at least there was minimal damage.
sorry you were broken into......know it worries ya ...thinking they will come back....put up trail cam's ( a couple dummy ones in plain view and really hide the working one's!!!)
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gsreimers
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2015 11:39pm
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I made a trip to the cabin today to drop off lumber for next years building projects while we still had ice to go across and found an unpleasant surprise. Over the winter we had a visit from a thief. Actually, it was a door hangar saying the tax assessor made a trip over the ice to check our building progress.
To me that sounds like the kind of thief that keeps on stealing.
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turkeyhunter
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# Posted: 20 Mar 2015 06:14am
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Quoting: gsreimers tax assessor made a trip over the ice to check our building progress.To me that sounds like the kind of thief that keeps on stealing.
OMG...the thief with a "license to steal".....prayers sent
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RichInTheUSA
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# Posted: 20 Mar 2015 09:36am
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We had a tax assessor come by, and he told me he is exempt from any no trespassing signs, fences or locked gates.
I'm not sure if that's true legally... however, I also know that these folks can give you a really hard time, if you give them a really hard time.
Anyhow, I got off topic since this is supposed to be security related.
My insurance company asked me to take down the neighbor's signs that say "we don't call 911" and "Caution, Firearms in Use, Keep Out".
These were on my neighbors property, but on the road that is a right-of-way to my property.
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morock
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2015 04:37pm
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Just got this sent to me. I've been looking for something like this for a while. While I have used X10 automation for over tens years (it can be frustrating), I have never use their security products. Price is right.
http://www.x10.com/packaged-deals/home-security-88/x10securitykitstartergsm.html
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