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MtnDon
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# Posted: 1 Nov 2013 01:35pm - Edited by: MtnDon
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The key to it is to have a large enough foorprint to spread out the weight. Larger tires help. Airing down helps. Bigger tires require modifications to be successful, if the increase is substantial
some of these would work....
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optimistic
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# Posted: 1 Nov 2013 02:42pm
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That is really crazy..... aaaahhhhaaahhhhaahh
I think my wheels are 265/75R17 but I will double check. I think when we get snow, I'll park in the front, take some photos of the walk in, and post it here for yall' opinions if I should do it or not...
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optimistic
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2013 06:09pm
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Might need to test this next weekend... We are getting a foot of snow over the weekend and I can't go until next weekend so we'll see how it will be.
Trying to figure out what to get in the mean time: compressor to air down, chains, or something else?
Also, I have the VDC off button. Should I switch it off while trying to drive in? What does it do?
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creeky
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2013 06:43pm
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Yup. time to get the driving in deep snow thread going again. 
I have a 4x4 with lift kit. but my front hubs aren't locking/unlocking properly. if all is going good i can drive through 18"s of snow. now I have an appt with Jim, the master mechanic, super lad, for tuesday. unfortunately. we're slated to get 5 to 15 inches tomorrow (saturday).
and wouldn't you know. i didn't put the snowblower on the tractor. had it all lined up. and thought. there's no snow in the forecast... I'll go do ...
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optimistic
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2013 08:48pm
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hhhh yeah!
Snow time....
I do have a 'get out of jail' card.... A friend who owns many toys and among those: a ford Raptor with every single bell and whistle. He would love to come pull my pathy out if I get myself in trouble haha
I need to check, when I step out, as to what size tires I have... I do know they are not the ones that come with the car and were and upgrade. They are quite large. Hopefully, I will be able to get a tip on how low (PSI) I can run those.
Ordering this BTW: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002ZBWKAU/ref=gno_cart_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A TVPDKIKX0DER
Nice to be able to set it up, jump into the car, and step out again when it's done... It will shut off when reached the desired PSI.
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MJW
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2013 09:25pm
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Be prepared to sit for a while. Those 12v jobs suck. Really.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2013 09:44pm
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Quoting: MJW Those 12v jobs suck. Really.
No, not all 12 VDC compressors suck; only the cheap ones do. I had one years ago. Viair make a number of compressors that are pretty good. Oasis makes some that are superb; but super expensive. I have one of the Viair 88P models in the Tacoma. It's about the smallest / least expensive compressor I'm comfortable with.
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PatrickH
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2013 10:19pm
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Vehicle Dynamic Control a.k.a traction control usually the manufacturer limits throttle when slip takes place some also apply brakes adjust transfer case depends on options everyone does it different but the same I dislike having traction control on especially from stops I also use a viair 12 volt compressor pumps the 3/4 ton truck tires to 80 psi no problem had it over 3 years now hooks directly to the battery and I swapped the fuse with a circuit breaker I would not recommend ones that plug into the lighter socket that is a weak circuit we have always had super results with Vredestein snow tires
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2013 01:52am
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Looking over the specs I see the Slime unit delivers 0.565 cu ft per minute (16 liters per minute) But what is missing is at what pressure can it deliver that volume. They deserve demerit points because of that missing information.
The specs on the Viair 88P state, 1.98 cu ft per minute @ 0 PSI; 1.48 @ 30 psi. As the pressure goes up the delivery rate goes down. That's common to all compressors. I know the 88P can inflate one of my 265/75R16 tires from zero to 30 psi in a little over 4 minutes. Airing up from 15 to 32 takes 2 minutes.
It is strictly a guess as to how long that Slime compressor will take. My guess is that at best it will be 3 times as long; at worst.... who knows. Without proper pressure and volume specs we are guessing.
You might want to take that into consideration...
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optimistic
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2013 08:04am
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That's a good point about those 12v weakness.... 3 minute minimum per tire is a long time to sit and wait.
I guess that it winds down to whether I need to air down or not. Maybe this (next) weekend I will try to get in without doing that and see how much I feel comfortable.
Right now I have a shovel and the hi-lift jack with the towing kit (http://www.amazon.com/Hi-Lift-Jack-ORK-Off-Road-Kit/dp/B00042KQ58/ref=pd_sim_auto_4)
Hopefully I won't need those.
BTW, don posted those Russian monster trucks - how about thsi american crazy machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u71YXKXSivw
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 15 Dec 2013 10:25am - Edited by: MtnDon
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I like that. I could use one.
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Truecabin
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# Posted: 15 Dec 2013 10:04pm
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air down can increase contact patch it works for some conditions but you can lose ground clearance
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Coastal
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2013 07:50pm
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For this vehicle, I would probably recommend a receiver mount winch. The trouble with a winch on the front is that you can only pull yourself further into trouble in snow, if it just keeps getting deeper. Unless you get fancy with rigging of course.
Wide tires will help you float, and yes that technique works pretty well if you go slow and try not to break through. However, being alone, I would make sure that winch works and you can get out of where ever you've gotten to.
Although in my experience, it's much more entertaining to pin it. ;)
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 7 Jan 2014 09:52am
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A friend gave me this link...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151962437454737
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hueyjazz
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# Posted: 7 Jan 2014 12:23pm
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Optimistic
It's supposed to go back into the 40's with rain this weekend.
Quite a change considering it is -2 right now.
Is your camp in that area south of Buffalo that got the full brunt of Lake Erie?
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optimistic
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 12:11pm
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DON - that is crazy. I was actually thinking about that idea but guess someone beat me to it... Those are called Track N GO. Price????? 25k. WOW.
jazz - I am not near that disaster. Haven't gone to the cabin this weekend so it will be interesting to see what I find next time.
The couple of times I drove in - no tire airing down - it was fine. Actually makes the road much nices as it smooths it out. When no snow is there it is very very bumpy.
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Rossman
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 12:19pm
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Quoting: optimistic Also, I have the VDC off button. Should I switch it off while trying to drive in? What does it do?
Yeah you want to have this off if you are driving in snow. Otherwise it will detect wheelspin and stop the wheels from continuing to spin...not what you want when you need to keep momentum up in such situations!
I always drive with the traction control disabled in winter, as it basically makes you car useless in any kind of snow or ice.
Also, check your manual for how to disable the traction control. Most of them, seem like they disable it when you press the button, but, it does not get fully disabled! In my car, I have to press and hold the button down for 3 full seconds, with the car parked and brake pedal pressed, before it will fully disable the traction control.
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 01:39pm
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Wrong!! You are supposed to use the traction control and turn it off if the wheels are spinning.
Using traction control in Flagstaff kept me moving on a snowy mountain while other drivers lost all their traction and were stopping on the interstate creating a hazzard for everyone.
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Rossman
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 02:01pm
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Quoting: silverwaterlady Wrong!! You are supposed to use the traction control and turn it off if the wheels are spinning.
You are more than entitled to this opinion, but I and many other drivers disagree with you. Traction control is perhaps helpful for inexperienced drivers that don't know what they are doing, but it is of limited value to lots of people who know how to drive well.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 02:30pm - Edited by: MtnDon
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I have to agree with silverwaterlady. This experienced driver says leave traction control on for all day to day driving. When and if you get stuck badly enough that traction control makes it impossible to move, then you turn it off. In everyday driving if you drive in a manner that causes the traction control to kick in you are probably doing something you should not be doing on the street, except for those ocasions when the road is slick for some reason.
Traction control is amazing, somewhat akin to how amazing anti skid brakes work for stopping when roads are slick with water, ice or loose material. As for traction control only being "helpful for inexperienced drivers that don't know what they are doing" I believe thoughts like that are incorrect. Given slippery conditions I know I can not make a stop any quicker with a non anti skid brake system. And I doubt that even back in the days of my youth when I was involved in club racing, that my reflexes and "talent" could correct for slippery conditions as well as traction control does. If traction control was not so good Formula 1 racing would still permit it. They experimented with it and took it away because it made drivers more equal artificially.
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 02:52pm - Edited by: silverwaterlady
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Rossman, LOL, I am a professional driver with 1,500,000 safe driving miles. I have won awards for my driving.
I use traction control only as a tool in adverse conditions I do not use it as an excuse to drive faster.
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optimistic
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 03:23pm
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Is this you lady? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xUeYh8snfA
Truly amazing abilities
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 04:22pm
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Wow! That is some driving! Thanks for posting Optimistic I enjoyed it Notice that she is using traction control even though she doesn't like it. She did let up on the gas to stop the tires from spinning.
She needs to get a dash camera and keep her window visors lowered that helps to keep the ice off the wipers and the windshield clear of fog. She is at a great advantage because she does not have to deal with inexperienced drivers on that tract.
The winter weather sportspeople are really going to be surprised to see her!
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Rossman
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 06:47pm
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Quoting: silverwaterlady Rossman, LOL, I am a professional driver with 1,500,000 safe driving miles. I have won awards for my driving.
Congrats! That doesn't mean you are right about everything driving related, though. So we'll have to agree to disagree here.
Look, fact is that traction control only became available pretty recently on consumer cars, at least the ones I drive, so, it's not like humans are incapable of driving without it. In my personal experience, with traction control enabled, I have gotten a more unpredictable response from the vehicle in several situations as the traction control/vsc/abs all do their thing in a manner which is sometimes not expected and in fact, does *not* result in the ideal outcome.
I have a perfect driving record, the only accidents I've been in is where I was hit by other cars (twice rear-ended, once clipped down the side by a poor merger). I have many km's and years of driving under my belt. So, I feel fine with my choices.
Optimistic - thats a wild video, thanks for posting! She gives some great advice regarding snow driving in adverse conditions.
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hueyjazz
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# Posted: 9 Jan 2014 12:03pm
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We're just stepping out of the bitter cold where I live. Pretty much every bridge, ramp and overpass was glazed over with ice. Much of my fellow breathern that grew up in this area with me still forgets the basic concept of winter driving. No amount of electronic and mechinacal gizmos can replace this one. DRIVE TO THE CONDITIONS
4WD on ice is still four tires that can slip on ice and not stop on ice. When you feel your tail end slipping then get off the gas and turn into the slippage gracefully. Don't be surprised if it takes many effort of either direction to get you straight again. Understand how a car actually works a how there is generally only one wheel providing the drive.
Over the years I loved the technology that has been built into cars but I do not feel I need to depend on them. I knew how to correctly pump my brakes long before anti lock brakes. Will anti lock stop me quicker, yes but not as much as I would have to depend on it. Traction control does have it merits too but I don't depend on it. Now we have cars that can parallel park themselves, Really? I hope technology doesn't dummy us down too far.
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Coastal
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# Posted: 9 Jan 2014 03:57pm
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Quoting: Rossman Look, fact is that traction control only became available pretty recently on consumer cars, at least the ones I drive, so, it's not like humans are incapable of driving without it. In my personal experience, with traction control enabled, I have gotten a more unpredictable response from the vehicle in several situations as the traction control/vsc/abs all do their thing in a manner which is sometimes not expected and in fact, does *not* result in the ideal outcome.
I agree with Rossman, I may not count the amount of km's I drive, but a LOT of my km's are in the mountains, in snow and I have a pretty extensive history of off road driving and racing. Consumer traction control (different from ABS) is usually no more than an electronic engine retarder, I find them unpredictable as well.
I will take good tires and a locking diff or 2 any day.
This is from new years day 2014
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bronco_ed
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# Posted: 28 Feb 2014 08:00pm
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Well I finally had a chance to give my truck a chance in deep snow.
First time for me... I did go through a learning curve, did better towards the end of the run. I found that the tires I have are not the best for snow. Very stiff side walls,even at 8 lbs of pressure my tires looked full. Others deflated to 12-15 pounds which provided the traction needed. Nevertheless it was a fantastic weekend. Here is a video I made capturing my first snow run experience. What a blast...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GavbGRvjPPk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enjoy...
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Ontario lakeside
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# Posted: 1 Mar 2014 10:13am
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Our access road was closed a couple of weeks ago, but the 4X4 made it in and we pulled some people out as we left. About 18" of snow on the road and if you didn't know the road it would be hard to know where it was!
I made a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1VNkfY38hE
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OwenChristensen
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# Posted: 2 Mar 2014 11:45am
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I guess I'm all alone on this one, but I've found very skinny tires are the best to get through deep snow. There is no way you can drive on top and there is no traction unless you get to the bottom. I've had a logging operation and made many mile of winter roads to haul out timber. I had skidders and big trucks. We packed snow across swamps, creeks etc. We had to maintain travel every day. A heavy rig with a lot of weight on the driving tires is the best.
Owen
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 2 Mar 2014 12:13pm
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That's why I like heavy loads in the winter. Driving a light or empty trailer in the winter is scary!
I saw trucks getting stuck in the mountains on ice this winter because they had light loads. No traction.
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