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optimistic
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# Posted: 3 May 2012 06:04pm
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Weekender, building it up there will save me the trip but will be harder to do and probably more expensive with driving there again and again. I can complete the entire project, close to my house, and then go there and put it down. The entire way there should be quite simple. It's just that last 1.5 miles of dirt road and up/down hills that will be tough. I looked into companies that provide professional hauling services. I got quoted 795 which isn't bad for a 2 hour drive.
I believe this will be the most efficient course of action.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 3 May 2012 06:39pm
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Quoting: optimistic What about getting it up there?
where theres a way theres a will.
me and the mister are not in too good of shape and we have to hike in with snow cause we cannot get anyone to plow our road.we have to haul it all into our woods in the winter time.its tuff going.i put my jammies,tp,and coffee and coffee mug in a plastic bag and got a shovel and would shovel a bit and sling the plastic bag way up ahead of me and shovel to the bag.i kept on keeping on.finally got there and made a path for the big guy to haul more in.once i got to the cabin.i was getting the coffee going.
i think VTweekender has the right idea there.
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optimistic
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# Posted: 3 May 2012 08:05pm
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I just looked at height limits on the bridges next to me.... Looks like I will have to go with your recommendation weekender and get the trailer there and built it right over there.
But an amazing turn of events: One of my wife's co-workers told her that he has a 40' triple axle frame that was stripped from an old camper. He offered it to us....
And it gets better. He also has those small campers that sit in the back of a pick up truck - he offered to lent it to us so we can put it there while we build. This is just incredible.
This guy is like a miracle.
So.... Basically - I'm good to go. I'll build it in the summer.
Question:
I never seen on of those truck campers before. How are they arrange in there? I am wondering if I can have a buddy stay with me to help with the build.
Any tips with this thing? How do I make sure no one decides to pick it up and take it with him?
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PA_Bound
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# Posted: 3 May 2012 10:51pm
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Truck campers are built to sleep multiple people. Two will be no problem.
I'm not sure how you would prevent someone from hauling it off. Normally you lower jacks on each side of the shell, then drive the truck out from underneath it. It then stands on the jacks (or for a more permanent installation, I would put it on concrete blocks or something).
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Montanagirl
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# Posted: 4 May 2012 01:21pm
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Opti---To keep you motivated!
http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/tiniest-house-in-colorado-on-the-move-2917736 7.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fus-15749625%252Ftiniest-house-in-colorado-on-the-move-2917 7367.html
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ShabinNo5
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# Posted: 4 May 2012 06:36pm
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Opti--- Noticed your statement about the accessibility. While I understand the desire to drive directly to the build site, carrying materials by hand can be done. My wife and I (with help from family and friends) have carried all of our materials to the site. The advantage that we have is that the trip is all down hill with the materials (300+ feet in summer, 800+ feet in winter). Of course this may be why my wife refers to our project as "Labor Camp" 
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 4 May 2012 11:34pm
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Quoting: ShabinNo5 Of course this may be why my wife refers to our project as "Labor Camp"
hee hee.funny
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Aqua
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 01:12am
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That's amazing to get a free frame! And a loaner camper too!
Are you sure you checked the local government zoning? In my area RVs are not allowed to be lived in. The way it reads, it's not allowed even for one day. I wouldn't try and skirt that law in my area.
I usually think buying the land first is a bad idea for someone without a big budget. Unless they are going to camp there or rough it in a shed, or start using the land for logs. IMO too many people are eager to make that first step, but without a good plan, they will end up setting themselves up for longer waiting, and possibly never achieving their goal. I just see too many people buying and ending up with something they didn't want, and I may have made a mistake. I am trying to turn it around. Anyway, building your cabin trailer first is a good plan.
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MtnDon
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 01:16am
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Quoting: optimistic How do I make sure no one decides to pick it up and take it with him?
Lower it onto some well leveled concrete blocks. Then remove the jacks. Makes it difficult, not impossible.
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Rob_O
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 01:22am
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You can always build wall sections at home, and assemble on site. Strap them to the trailer and raise them when you get there
I'm on my third Summer in a small travel trailer. The money I saved not building a cabin last Summer bought me a tractor, not building this Spring has paid for my electrical service and not building this Summer/Fall will pay for a driveway next Spring (or sooner).
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optimistic
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 03:57pm
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Thanks for the advise all.
AQUA- I think they can't really do anything about it because it will be titled as a utility trailer. What I have on top of it doesn't change what it is. They can't tell me to remove it just like they can't tell someone who has a utility trailer on his property to remove it.... As long as it's not tagged as an RV or camper - which in itself will be hard to do as DMV won't necessarily be inclined to accept it as such. Bottom line, it is such a grey area that I doubt it will be any issues.
Don - I think that the best thing to do in order to prevent anyone from taking it will be to to just build something in front of it - some cement short ridge (10" off ground) - so no one can pull it over it... Basically blockading it in. I have no need in moving this thing on the road ever again so I could care less. I will also chain in some way. And if I decide, one day in the future to sell/move it - I will just need to break my back on breaking those blockades.
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trollbridge
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 04:43pm - Edited by: trollbridge
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Opti...just make a very sturdy deck that sits in front or wraps around 2 sides-depending on where your door is-----or a patio out of concrete with some raised planters perhaps.
Don't give up completely...just continue to modify your plans until you are satisfied that it is right for you. Give up completely and you end up with nothing!!!!
Happy thinking!!!
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rayyy
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 05:31pm
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"Where theres a will,theres a way"I know new york is not a very user friendly state to try to do somthing like this but don't give up.Be optimistic,Optimistic.
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VTweekender
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 06:43pm
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Opti, check out this "utility trailer"..
http://www.tinyhousetalk.com/tiny-log-cabin-on-a-trailer/
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 10:21pm
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Optimistic. I suspect it will be able to fit under the bridges/wires. Most mfg homes, trailers are kept under the 14 foot mark to get under most bridges. You may have to take a longer route. But it should be doable.
Find out if its OK to keep a camp trailer an RV on the property. I'd bet you can get by with just a privy too, but a full septic hook up is the ideal ticket.
I dont think title-ing it as a utility trailer would work. Keep the frame title as a trailer, then build your project on top of it. You may have to hire pro movers to set it in place. Block it and remove the axles, it wont go no where.
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Aqua
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 11:12pm
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The utility trailer title sounds good to me, but I would be scared to do it. I'm wondering if they could claim it's not a utility trailer, but not good enough to qualify for the RV/camper/etc titles, so no title could be had? I know little about those regulations. Also in my area, they would just say nobody is allowed to live in a utility trailer or a structure that meets less standards than a mobile home or RV. (As I said, here you can't even live in a RV/camper.) If your area allows you to park and live in an RV, even if it's 30 days max, that would be a lot nicer for you.
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optimistic
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# Posted: 5 May 2012 11:36pm
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The inspector said that if no one complains then he doesn't care what I put up there. But I told him it is a trailer which is something that he can go after. There are special building codes for rv and trailers so they are titled differently. I can put whatever I want on a utility trailer and it won't change its title as long as it doesn't increase its size so it can go on the road. DMV will not allow you to title it as a trailer or rv. This will makes it impossible for the town to start action against you. I am not going to live in it. It will be a recreational cabin. This is so complicated for them to peruse that it is really something that they won't go after.
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Rob_O
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# Posted: 6 May 2012 01:36am
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Quoting: optimistic The inspector said that if no one complains then he doesn't care what I put up there
This is always a good thing.
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wakeslayer
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# Posted: 6 May 2012 11:09am
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I would buy that inspector a steak and a beer.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 6 May 2012 02:24pm
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Quoting: optimistic The inspector said that if no one complains then he doesn't care what I put up there.
this is how it is in our woods.mountain rural.no one cares unless u get the neighbors up in arms.everyone for the most part builds there own plans with no approval from anyone.
can people see where u live?are u out in the open and by a mess of fancy homes?
if it is out in the boonies.no one cares.at least this is how it is here.relax,enjoy.
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silverwaterlady
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# Posted: 12 May 2012 11:24pm
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Don't give up! We camped for 25 years before we could afford our cabin!
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Aqua
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# Posted: 13 May 2012 12:59pm
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I can't believe the lady gets away with her tiny one near all these big fancy homes. She is the 3rd segment in this video, somewhere around the 15 minute mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDcVrVA4bSQ
I might take the risk of getting caught, but I heard they are a--holes in my area.
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 13 May 2012 01:12pm
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Quoting: silverwaterlady Don't give up! We camped for 25 years before we could afford our cabin!
good words.u can camp out there and still enjoy nature.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 13 May 2012 01:29pm
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Quoting: optimistic T...There are special building codes for rv and trailers so they are titled differently.
The "Park Model" is classified as an RV. I suspect when you mean trailer, are you talking about a manufactured home? The Park Model isnt classified as a manufactured home, but an RV. You dont need to feel guilty doing something legal. But checking to see if CCR's allow a trailer is a good idea.
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stel
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# Posted: 22 May 2012 08:18am
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hi im new to this site as a member, but i've been following along for a while! Im in a similar situation. I live in toronto canada, and ive been looking at properties about 25 min north-west of huntsville. i was wondering if anyone has any insight/experiance with buying land and building a small cabin on it (about 16x24 or 12x8 bunkies) Ive also been toying with the idea of puting a moderate size park mobile on it (about 12x30) does anyone have any insight as to what the bylaws are for this area? (sprucedale-perrysound) will i be harassed alot or can i get away with it?
ANY HELP will be great!!!!
thanks alot
ps ....great site
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OwenChristensen
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# Posted: 28 May 2012 08:55am
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A lot of our cabins are on skids. They could be moved. Most are never and set solidly on fortyyear rated treated skids. I don't trust one piece skids not to warp, so I laminate three or four layers of 2x6 or 2x8's together up to four layers wide. That way by staggering joints , you can go to longer lengths. I have done this to 30 feet. I seldom use three. two work the best and overhang the floor joists a foot or so over the top. In areas with frost a center skid will hold frost under longer than the side skids and cause a hump. So stick with two.
Owen
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ErinsMom
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# Posted: 28 May 2012 04:09pm
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I have had this dream for years. My mom has offered me a bit of land, got septic approval but the pasture has 5 - 6 inches of rain every time it rains. My drug addicted daughter has drained me dry (identity thief, etc), I won't give up. Even it it won't be the 20 x 30 with an indoor bathroom, I have decided I WILL HAVE SOMETHING. We all need a place to leave the world and stress of that world behind.
DON'T GIVE UP! Start small if you have to.
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notoriouskelly
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# Posted: 30 May 2012 10:48am
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Don't give up on any dream; just adjust your game plan.
I'm new to this topic and just started looking at sheds/tiny houses.
They have plenty of room. I lived in a box truck for a year and now use it for camping.
I'm looking to build and move in to a place for under $5,000, so owning property doesn't look realistic right now.
So I'm placing ads to rent a small slice of someone's land.
I will make this happen!
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cabingal3
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# Posted: 30 May 2012 01:56pm
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Quoting: notoriouskelly Don't give up on any dream; just adjust your game plan.
so true.good advice.
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